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I'm here because I was referred to as a "scammer" by this forum's owner because I use an adaptive optics unit when taking deep space photos with my telescope.  This is unacceptable and defamatory.  The owner of this forum seems to be ignorant and does not understand what adaptive optics are for.  They do not create "fake images" and all of my photos are real.  I use an 8" Meade LX200 telescope with an SBIG ST-2000XCM camera and SBIG AO-7 adaptive optics to take very long exposures of various nebulae, galaxies, and other distant objects.  The AO-7 is a tilt/tip mirror system which directs the light onto the CCD and corrects for the position of a guide star multiple times a second, faster than the telescope's own motors could respond, in order to compensate for drive tracking errors and atmospheric distortions.  It does not create fake or scam images.  This page has a written summary:
https://www.woodlandsobservatory.com/guiding_equipment.htm

This is a video I did summarizing and showcasing the device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGuqPX81jm0

I would appreciate a retraction from the owner of this forum.
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I'm here because I was referred to as a "scammer" by this forum's owner because I use an adaptive optics unit when taking deep space photos with my telescope.  This is unacceptable and defamatory.  The owner of this forum seems to be ignorant and does not understand what adaptive optics are for.  They do not create "fake images" and all of my photos are real.  I use an 8" Meade LX200 telescope with an SBIG ST-2000XCM camera and SBIG AO-7 adaptive optics to take very long exposures of various nebulae, galaxies, and other distant objects.  The AO-7 is a tilt/tip mirror system which directs the light onto the CCD and corrects for the position of a guide star multiple times a second, faster than the telescope's own motors could respond, in order to compensate for drive tracking errors and atmospheric distortions.  It does not create fake or scam images.  This page has a written summary:
https://www.woodlandsobservatory.com/guiding_equipment.htm

This is a video I did summarizing and showcasing the device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGuqPX81jm0

I would appreciate a retraction from the owner of this forum.
No chance. Those are FAKE images and you are a FAKE and a PHONY. Your beloved NASA can't even see what you're posting and you expect us to believe this crap? We are seasoned veterans of CGI and Artists' Renderings.
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No chance. Those are FAKE images and you are a FAKE and a PHONY.
I am not a phony and my images are not fake.  Your defamatory remarks are completely baseless.  In fact I show how I collect my images with live streams on my channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d696a67pFDk
Your beloved NASA can't even see what you're posting and you expect us to believe this crap?
That's a false strawman argument.  I never said NASA cannot see the things I am posting.  Indeed, Hubble has imaged these galaxies.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/messier-51-the-whirlpool-galaxy
We are seasoned veterans of CGI and Artists' Renderings.
Then you should have reached the conclusion that my images are neither of those.  Otherwise, it's clear to me that you're not able to distinguish my real images from fake images.
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I haven't watched any of your stuff yet but I will soon and then I'll let you know how bad it is. I will allow you this thread and even other new threads if you agree to stay out of my FE threads. We get thousands of views here each week, hundreds each day. Just try to keep your fake space spam to one thread please.

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I haven't watched any of your stuff yet but I will soon and then I'll let you know how bad it is. I will allow you this thread and even other new threads if you agree to stay out of my FE threads. We get thousands of views here each week, hundreds each day. Just try to keep your fake space spam to one thread please.

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Wow, not a big free speech advocate I see.  Thank God you don't run Gab.  Again, my space images are not fake.  It's really telling that you feel free to defame me even when you admit you haven't even looked at the evidence.  Shameful.

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I haven't watched any of your stuff yet but I will soon and then I'll let you know how bad it is. I will allow you this thread and even other new threads if you agree to stay out of my FE threads. We get thousands of views here each week, hundreds each day. Just try to keep your fake space spam to one thread please.

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Wow, not a big free speech advocate I see.  Thank God you don't run Gab.  Again, my space images are not fake.  It's really telling that you feel free to defame me even when you admit you haven't even looked at the evidence.  Shameful.
I'm all about free speech here but the threads I have started are not for your videos. I said you can start more threads and this one as well. Heck, I can even make your own personal board (forum) here if you plan to post a lot of your material. I just don't a threads mixed with different content that belongs in other threads.

I "defame you" as you allege because you do not see galaxies period. You were duped into buying equipment thinking you could see what NASA sees but in reality I know for a fact that NASA only sees black and white PIXELS and the CGI and color in the beautiful detailed images they present to the people. You are in love with CGI and "adaptive optics"? Do you know what the word adaptive means? It means FAKE !!!













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I'm all about free speech here but the threads I have started are not for your videos. I said you can start more threads and this one as well. Heck, I can even make your own personal board (forum) here if you plan to post a lot of your material. I just don't a threads mixed with different content that belongs in other threads.
Well I see you made a thread claiming space is fake and NASA is fake, clearly videos I have that demonstrate NASA spacecraft are really in space would be relevant to that thread.  But per your ridiculous censorship, I'm not allowed to post those there.  You obviously want your threads to be echo chambers.  So be it, but that's not the behavior of someone who is big on free speech.

I "defame you" as you allege because you do not see galaxies period.
Yes, I do.  You are calling me a liar and calling my videos and images fake.
You were duped into buying equipment thinking you could see what NASA sees but in reality I know for a fact that NASA only sees black and white PIXELS and the CGI and color in the beautiful detailed images they present to the people.
What happens if you combine a "black and white" (grayscale) image taken through a red filter, then a green filter, then a blue filter?  You get a color image.  Many astrophotographers do this, but in my case the deep space camera I use is a single shot color camera where the red, green and blue filters are pre-positioned in a repeating matrix over the pixels.  This is how most consumer digital cameras work.  They just combine the grayscale channels from the red, green and blue filtered pixels in the camera automatically without you ever seeing the process or having any control over the interpolation used in the de-Bayering process. 
You are in love with CGI and "adaptive optics"? Do you know what the word adaptive means? It means FAKE !!!
My camera does not generate CGI, it doesn't even have the onboard processing necessary to combine the separate color channels or interpolate the full resolution color images.  Adaptive optics does not mean "fake."  You are ignorant.  The adaptive optics unit is just a tilt/tip mirror system that directs the light from the telescope onto the CCD and moves rapidly to keep the stars centered on the same pixels throughout the lengthy exposure to avoid blurring by the atmosphere or tracking errors.  It has a relay that sends a signal to the telescope to move the motors occasionally when it gets close to the end of travel of the mirror.  It's not magic, it's not CGI, and it's not fake.  At its core, it's just a mirror attached to magnets and moved by running a current through a speaker coil below the magnets.  All it can do is slightly shift the image up, down, left or right as needed to keep the image perfectly steady.  The images it records are real.
https://diffractionlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ao7manual.pdf
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I'm all about free speech here but the threads I have started are not for your videos. I said you can start more threads and this one as well. Heck, I can even make your own personal board (forum) here if you plan to post a lot of your material. I just don't a threads mixed with different content that belongs in other threads.
Well I see you made a thread claiming space is fake and NASA is fake, clearly videos I have that demonstrate NASA spacecraft are really in space would be relevant to that thread.  But per your ridiculous censorship, I'm not allowed to post those there.  You obviously want your threads to be echo chambers.  So be it, but that's not the behavior of someone who is big on free speech.

I "defame you" as you allege because you do not see galaxies period.
Yes, I do.  You are calling me a liar and calling my videos and images fake.
You were duped into buying equipment thinking you could see what NASA sees but in reality I know for a fact that NASA only sees black and white PIXELS and the CGI and color in the beautiful detailed images they present to the people.
What happens if you combine a "black and white" (grayscale) image taken through a red filter, then a green filter, then a blue filter?  You get a color image.  Many astrophotographers do this, but in my case the deep space camera I use is a single shot color camera where the red, green and blue filters are pre-positioned in a repeating matrix over the pixels.  This is how most consumer digital cameras work.  They just combine the grayscale channels from the red, green and blue filtered pixels in the camera automatically without you ever seeing the process or having any control over the interpolation used in the de-Bayering process. 
You are in love with CGI and "adaptive optics"? Do you know what the word adaptive means? It means FAKE !!!
My camera does not generate CGI, it doesn't even have the onboard processing necessary to combine the separate color channels or interpolate the full resolution color images.  Adaptive optics does not mean "fake."  You are ignorant.  The adaptive optics unit is just a tilt/tip mirror system that directs the light from the telescope onto the CCD and moves rapidly to keep the stars centered on the same pixels throughout the lengthy exposure to avoid blurring by the atmosphere or tracking errors.  It has a relay that sends a signal to the telescope to move the motors occasionally when it gets close to the end of travel of the mirror.  It's not magic, it's not CGI, and it's not fake.  At its core, it's just a mirror attached to magnets and moved by running a current through a speaker coil below the magnets.  All it can do is slightly shift the image up, down, left or right as needed to keep the image perfectly steady.  The images it records are real.
https://diffractionlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ao7manual.pdf
Yep, I watched that first video you posted and it's Fake. I don't know how much you spent but it's purely entertainment, more pseudoscience. You should ashamed of yourself for propagating this Fake material. The video even explains how the images are altered, changed, man made creations and NOT accurate depictions of "deep space". To top it all off, even if just one of your images is partially close to being accurate it doesn't prove a globe. Do you have footage and images of planets?













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I'm all about free speech here but the threads I have started are not for your videos. I said you can start more threads and this one as well. Heck, I can even make your own personal board (forum) here if you plan to post a lot of your material. I just don't a threads mixed with different content that belongs in other threads.
Well I see you made a thread claiming space is fake and NASA is fake, clearly videos I have that demonstrate NASA spacecraft are really in space would be relevant to that thread.  But per your ridiculous censorship, I'm not allowed to post those there.  You obviously want your threads to be echo chambers.  So be it, but that's not the behavior of someone who is big on free speech.

I "defame you" as you allege because you do not see galaxies period.
Yes, I do.  You are calling me a liar and calling my videos and images fake.
You were duped into buying equipment thinking you could see what NASA sees but in reality I know for a fact that NASA only sees black and white PIXELS and the CGI and color in the beautiful detailed images they present to the people.
What happens if you combine a "black and white" (grayscale) image taken through a red filter, then a green filter, then a blue filter?  You get a color image.  Many astrophotographers do this, but in my case the deep space camera I use is a single shot color camera where the red, green and blue filters are pre-positioned in a repeating matrix over the pixels.  This is how most consumer digital cameras work.  They just combine the grayscale channels from the red, green and blue filtered pixels in the camera automatically without you ever seeing the process or having any control over the interpolation used in the de-Bayering process. 
You are in love with CGI and "adaptive optics"? Do you know what the word adaptive means? It means FAKE !!!
My camera does not generate CGI, it doesn't even have the onboard processing necessary to combine the separate color channels or interpolate the full resolution color images.  Adaptive optics does not mean "fake."  You are ignorant.  The adaptive optics unit is just a tilt/tip mirror system that directs the light from the telescope onto the CCD and moves rapidly to keep the stars centered on the same pixels throughout the lengthy exposure to avoid blurring by the atmosphere or tracking errors.  It has a relay that sends a signal to the telescope to move the motors occasionally when it gets close to the end of travel of the mirror.  It's not magic, it's not CGI, and it's not fake.  At its core, it's just a mirror attached to magnets and moved by running a current through a speaker coil below the magnets.  All it can do is slightly shift the image up, down, left or right as needed to keep the image perfectly steady.  The images it records are real.
https://diffractionlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ao7manual.pdf
Yep, I watched that first video you posted and it's Fake. I don't know how much you spent but it's purely entertainment, more pseudoscience. You should ashamed of yourself for propagating this Fake material. The video even explains how the images are altered, changed, man made creations and NOT accurate depictions of "deep space". To top it all off, even if just one of your images is partially close to being accurate it doesn't prove a globe. Do you have footage and images of planets?













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Nope, it's not fake, you think it's fake just because it's advanced and uses a mirror to keep the stars centered while it takes pictures. Your accusations are false and defamatory. I know for a fact that you're full of it and completely wrong. Yes I have footage of the planets as well.

https://youtu.be/VfNwl1xPWgY

https://youtu.be/drkK_fgh8UQ

Thank you for proving you are completely unable to distinguish reality from fakes.
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LX200? What, is that a Lexus? Regardless, I'm not the first and I won't be the last to tell you that your videos and "images" are worthless. Total trash that was created to dupe "Outer Space" enthusiasts like you to open their wallet for some "equipment" that CREATES and MODIFIES and ENHANCES and is "ADAPTIVE" SO THAT YOU WILL see EXACTLY WHAT YOU DREAM OF.  Galaxies and "deep space". Your videos, footage, images and descriptions of what your magical equipment does are pure bullshit. My Uncle once told me, "Everybody lives within their own layer of bullshit." You found yours.

















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LX200? What, is that a Lexus?
No.  It's a telescope.
Regardless, I'm not the first and I won't be the last to tell you that your videos and "images" are worthless. Total trash that was created to dupe "Outer Space" enthusiasts like you to open their wallet for some "equipment" that CREATES and MODIFIES and ENHANCES and is "ADAPTIVE" SO THAT YOU WILL see EXACTLY WHAT YOU DREAM OF.
You have utterly failed to support that claim.  See, you can spew whatever nonsense you want but that doesn't make it true.  You are utterly clueless about how my equipment works and you are completely wrong in your claim that it "creates" fake images.  The CCD does not modify the image, it just provides raw data.  The adaptive optics unit is just a tilt/tip mirror used to keep the stars steady during the exposure, that's all it is, it's not magic, it's not the boogey man and it doesn't fake any of the images.  The camera and adaptive optics actually have no way of knowing what kind of optic they are attached to.  They could be attached to any of a variety of telescopes and could have various focal reducers attached.  They have no way of know what they're pointed at or what they're attached to, so there is not even a way for them to theoretically fake the images they produce because they'd have no idea what to generate.  I hate to break this to you, but technology like this is not telepathic and it cannot know what you're "dreaming" of.  It doesn't know and it doesn't care, it just records photons of light.
  Galaxies and "deep space". Your videos, footage, images and descriptions of what your magical equipment does are pure bullshit
There's nothing magical or fake about it.  You need professional mental help.











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LX200? What, is that a Lexus?
No.  It's a telescope.
Regardless, I'm not the first and I won't be the last to tell you that your videos and "images" are worthless. Total trash that was created to dupe "Outer Space" enthusiasts like you to open their wallet for some "equipment" that CREATES and MODIFIES and ENHANCES and is "ADAPTIVE" SO THAT YOU WILL see EXACTLY WHAT YOU DREAM OF.
You have utterly failed to support that claim.  See, you can spew whatever nonsense you want but that doesn't make it true.  You are utterly clueless about how my equipment works and you are completely wrong in your claim that it "creates" fake images.  The CCD does not modify the image, it just provides raw data.  The adaptive optics unit is just a tilt/tip mirror used to keep the stars steady during the exposure, that's all it is, it's not magic, it's not the boogey man and it doesn't fake any of the images.  The camera and adaptive optics actually have no way of knowing what kind of optic they are attached to.  They could be attached to any of a variety of telescopes and could have various focal reducers attached.  They have no way of know what they're pointed at or what they're attached to, so there is not even a way for them to theoretically fake the images they produce because they'd have no idea what to generate.  I hate to break this to you, but technology like this is not telepathic and it cannot know what you're "dreaming" of.  It doesn't know and it doesn't care, it just records photons of light.
  Galaxies and "deep space". Your videos, footage, images and descriptions of what your magical equipment does are pure bullshit
There's nothing magical or fake about it.  You need professional mental help.
That's the beauty of it. They tell you what you will see and they manufacture the required components. You bought it. Now you're seeing things that nobody else sees. Do you get it yet? You are one of the select few that SEE . . . because you bought the equipment. It's another video game you're playing, that's all it is.
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LX200? What, is that a Lexus?
No.  It's a telescope.
Regardless, I'm not the first and I won't be the last to tell you that your videos and "images" are worthless. Total trash that was created to dupe "Outer Space" enthusiasts like you to open their wallet for some "equipment" that CREATES and MODIFIES and ENHANCES and is "ADAPTIVE" SO THAT YOU WILL see EXACTLY WHAT YOU DREAM OF.
You have utterly failed to support that claim.  See, you can spew whatever nonsense you want but that doesn't make it true.  You are utterly clueless about how my equipment works and you are completely wrong in your claim that it "creates" fake images.  The CCD does not modify the image, it just provides raw data.  The adaptive optics unit is just a tilt/tip mirror used to keep the stars steady during the exposure, that's all it is, it's not magic, it's not the boogey man and it doesn't fake any of the images.  The camera and adaptive optics actually have no way of knowing what kind of optic they are attached to.  They could be attached to any of a variety of telescopes and could have various focal reducers attached.  They have no way of know what they're pointed at or what they're attached to, so there is not even a way for them to theoretically fake the images they produce because they'd have no idea what to generate.  I hate to break this to you, but technology like this is not telepathic and it cannot know what you're "dreaming" of.  It doesn't know and it doesn't care, it just records photons of light.
  Galaxies and "deep space". Your videos, footage, images and descriptions of what your magical equipment does are pure bullshit
There's nothing magical or fake about it.  You need professional mental help.
Here's another thing, punk. The next time you question my sanity I will delete ALL of your content here and delete your IP address. If you can't support your data don't resort to personal attack, jackass.
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