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Newby Question About Flat Earth
« on: May 18, 2019, 07:13:41 pm »
Thanks for accepting my registration.

My wife (Suvel) is a FEer and I am not, but I'm openly investigating.

I have considered for a while a simple physical test that most could do themselves to prove one way or the other and want some feedback on the concept.

The idea is to use a water level (see picture) and a lazer to test for curvature.

The idea is to link three water level columns with 1000 feet of tubing at equal distances (column, 500 feet, column, 500 feet last column).

Given the curvature calcs (8" per mile) there should be a 3/4 inch deflection at the midpoint of these three columns of water.  (~8/5280 * 500 = 0.75)

So if we could set this up and aim a strong lazer light at the end point column's water levels, the middle column's water level should be approx 3/4 of an inch higher, if curvature is real.

Where am I going wrong here?

Or is this a way to test if curvature is true or missing?
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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2019, 07:26:08 pm »
Thanks for accepting my registration.

My wife (Suvel) is a FEer and I am not, but I'm openly investigating.

I have considered for a while a simple physical test that most could do themselves to prove one way or the other and want some feedback on the concept.

The idea is to use a water level (see picture) and a lazer to test for curvature.

The idea is to link three water level columns with 1000 feet of tubing at equal distances (column, 500 feet, column, 500 feet last column).

Given the curvature calcs (8" per mile) there should be a 3/4 inch deflection at the midpoint of these three columns of water.  (~8/5280 * 500 = 0.75)

So if we could set this up and aim a strong lazer light at the end point column's water levels, the middle column's water level should be approx 3/4 of an inch higher, if curvature is real.

Where am I going wrong here?

Or is this a way to test if curvature is true or missing?
Thank you for joining. This test should work. Forgive me for not being familiar with the water level apparatus but I can see how they would work. I will email a friend that I speak to periodically in the FE camp and he is better with math and experiments. It could be days or weeks until I hear from him unfortunately as we haven't spoken recently but we'll see. I can also try to pose this question to Del from the YT channel: Beyond the Imaginary Curve and his friend Gavin who is a Master's level physicist and mathematician. They are also very difficult to reach/contact but I will certainly try.
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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2019, 08:32:35 pm »
Thanks PJ, that would be great to have some independent confirmations.

Not an urgent thing, but something nagging me in the back of my head.

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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2019, 10:54:00 pm »
Thanks PJ, that would be great to have some independent confirmations.

Not an urgent thing, but something nagging me in the back of my head.

Brett
I know your math is right but the entire experiment needs to be looked at. I already emailed my old FE partner, so hopefully I will hear back soon. If you ever get a chance try to find that youtube channel Beyond the imaginary curve. Del and Gavin and he has a large amount of videos about water and real science pertaining to the earth. He has a thick Scottish accent, from Glasgow, but I can understand him OK. Look around here and you can post about anything that interest you and even start new topics etc. Thank you Brett !!!
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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2019, 11:54:15 pm »
Brett, I've been thinking about the test. Keep in mind I'm bad at math and I'm still waiting to hear from my FE expert friend. As I understand it, I think wherever you are standing is the "top of the ball" so to speak. Now, from where you are measure out a square mile around you (I think), regardless, if you measure out 1 mile there should be 8 inches difference. So theoretically yes, you could scale that down to 1,000 feet of tubing and measure and divide.
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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2019, 06:14:00 pm »
Thanks for the feedback and considerations.  Dave Weiss is looking at my concept as well.  I have posted a visual to help make the concept more clear.  Please, anyone who can say why or why not this is a real proof either way let me know.

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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2019, 07:34:51 pm »
Your test has been done only they used a laser pointed at a white screen on a boat and took readings at intervals until they were 4 miles or so from the laser.  If the earth has a curve, you would expect the laser which projects a planer beam to move up on the target as the boat progressed away from its location.

I won't spoil it for you.  You google "earth curvature laser experiment" to see the results yourself.
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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2019, 09:50:39 pm »
Thanks for the feedback and considerations.  Dave Weiss is looking at my concept as well.  I have posted a visual to help make the concept more clear.  Please, anyone who can say why or why not this is a real proof either way let me know.

Good Afternoon Bret and welcome to FEF.

I don't see how your assumptions could work. If the 1st column was anchored, the middle column would be lower than the first and the third column would be lower than the 1st and middle columns. The water in each column would not be affected as it would stay within the boundaries of each column.

you said in one post:"Or is this a way to test if curvature is true or missing?"

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DO is distance to object
D1 is the Horizon distance
HO is the Eye Height
H1 is the Target Hidden Height. (Note: This is the final answer)

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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2019, 04:40:52 pm »
Hey Brett and suvel, where are you, on the other side of the world or something, LOLOLOL !!!
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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2019, 08:36:16 pm »
PJ, well we are in South America however FEthers say that.

@Bladerunner, forgetting the water levels and the test, if we consider standing water on the alleged globe, it must be in the form of a curve of 8 inches per mile.  The place closest to you is not higher and the distant place lower.  This test is trying to present te same scenario without the difficulties of trying to compare open water with all the natural issues (waves etc.).

@ Grace Accepted.  The reason for my test scenario is to present a way any person can prove flat or not with simple items that are affordable. 
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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2019, 09:45:11 pm »
PJ, well we are in South America however FEthers say that.

@Bladerunner, forgetting the water levels and the test, if we consider standing water on the alleged globe, it must be in the form of a curve of 8 inches per mile.  The place closest to you is not higher and the distant place lower.  This test is trying to present te same scenario without the difficulties of trying to compare open water with all the natural issues (waves etc.).

@ Grace Accepted.  The reason for my test scenario is to present a way any person can prove flat or not with simple items that are affordable.

Hi Brett....
If the world (a globe) were nothing but water, regardless where one was standing (Not a pun), every direction would be down. OR, where one is standing is the highest point on the globe.

Therefore, every airplane has to fly in the downward position instead of level. I will assume you flew to SA. did you feel like you were going down all the time...Did you lean forward in your seat all the time.

8"per mile squared is quite a bit. for a plane flying a 10,000 ft. 400 mph would travel 6.67 miles in one minute. (8*6.672/12"=29.65 feet drop. In one more minute , the drop would be 119'.

I have flown planes in my earlier years and can tell you, when a 747 takes off, regardless of where one is seated, one can see the incline when looking forward and decline when looking to the rear of the plane. This would be the same if the earth was round and one is flying around in it.

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Re: Newby Question
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2019, 06:00:15 pm »
Hello Brett and Susan, please come back if you get the time. We like talking to you folks.
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2019, 08:16:13 pm »
We'll be back in the US for a week in July and we're purchasing the items needed for Brett's test. We'll bring them back here and do it--our backyard is right up against a huge polo field that we can use whenever we want (as long as there's not an actual polo game going on!). We will post our results here.
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