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The Millennial Jews
« on: September 03, 2018, 02:41:09 pm »



This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't
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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2018, 07:03:26 pm »
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't


Peter was preaching the Kingdom gospel before Paul was on the scene. and they were not the same. Paul told Peter and the other Apostles after Jesus told Paul the mystery.

The Messianic Jews believe in Jesus and His Gospel. The rest of Israel is still blinded until the Church is removed. 

One other thing, only ONE THIRD of the Jews will live through Daniel's 70th week.

Those Jews that survive will receive the "New Covenant" that will be instilled into their hearts. They will help Jesus Christ reign over Jerusalem for the 1000 years.

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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2018, 07:10:53 pm »
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2018, 09:21:40 pm »
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2018, 09:52:36 pm »
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

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No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2018, 10:54:47 pm »
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

Blade


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No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.

WHY four distinct groups, instead of ONE. sounds like Hyper-dispenationalism?

The Church (Body of Christ) began when the Apostles and the others in that room received the Holy Spirit. This was the beginning or the "Age of Grace" and will end with the Rapture (removal) of the Church. All of the distinct Groups (except the Hybrid Acts 9/28) are found within this main dispensation.

I do not believe in the Acts 9/28 Hybrid model as it can be refuted quite easily.

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2018, 02:56:24 am »
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

Blade


Blade
No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.

WHY four distinct groups, instead of ONE. sounds like Hyper-dispenationalism?

The Church (Body of Christ) began when the Apostles and the others in that room received the Holy Spirit. This was the beginning or the "Age of Grace" and will end with the Rapture (removal) of the Church. All of the distinct Groups (except the Hybrid Acts 9/28) are found within this main dispensation.

I do not believe in the Acts 9/28 Hybrid model as it can be refuted quite easily.

Blade

I agree that the age of grace started in Acts 2 but the BOC did not start in Acts 2 and neither was the mystery.
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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2018, 09:07:17 pm »
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

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No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.

WHY four distinct groups, instead of ONE. sounds like Hyper-dispenationalism?

The Church (Body of Christ) began when the Apostles and the others in that room received the Holy Spirit. This was the beginning or the "Age of Grace" and will end with the Rapture (removal) of the Church. All of the distinct Groups (except the Hybrid Acts 9/28) are found within this main dispensation.

I do not believe in the Acts 9/28 Hybrid model as it can be refuted quite easily.

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I agree that the age of grace started in Acts 2 but the BOC did not start in Acts 2 and neither was the mystery.

The Mystery is revealed in Eph 3:1-12..The Mystery was the "Church" which was not known until this time. This does not mean that it had not happened.

In EPH 3: 3a,5-6.."How that by revelation  He made known unto me the mystery … Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as the Spirit now reveals it unto His holy apostles and prophets; That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel "
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The mystery was not about the church but rather the revelation (unveiling) that the Gentiles were included and would be fellow Heirs,  partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel


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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2018, 04:00:09 am »
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

Blade


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No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.

WHY four distinct groups, instead of ONE. sounds like Hyper-dispenationalism?

The Church (Body of Christ) began when the Apostles and the others in that room received the Holy Spirit. This was the beginning or the "Age of Grace" and will end with the Rapture (removal) of the Church. All of the distinct Groups (except the Hybrid Acts 9/28) are found within this main dispensation.

I do not believe in the Acts 9/28 Hybrid model as it can be refuted quite easily.

Blade

I agree that the age of grace started in Acts 2 but the BOC did not start in Acts 2 and neither was the mystery.

The Mystery is revealed in Eph 3:1-12..The Mystery was the "Church" which was not known until this time. This does not mean that it had not happened.

In EPH 3: 3a,5-6.."How that by revelation  He made known unto me the mystery … Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as the Spirit now reveals it unto His holy apostles and prophets; That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel "
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Nearly two thousand years ago God revealed information that was secret since the world began to the chief persecutor of Christ and the twelve.

“Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:” – Col 1:25-26

Paul was saved by God’s grace and was chosen to make known the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of this mystery.

“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,” – Rom 16:25
This secret, albeit concerning the Lord Jesus Christ, stands in contradistinction to the information that the twelve disciples were preaching.

Peter in his message in Jerusalem after Pentecost spoke of Jesus Christ according to prophecy “which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21).

Peter taught things that were spoken by the prophets and Paul taught things that were kept secret from the prophets.

It was kept secret from the prophets that Gentile salvation would occur through Israel’s fall (Rom 11:25). Also kept secret was the new body of believers that was being created which was separate from the elect nation of Israel (Eph 3:6).

Nor was it prophesied that there would be free salvation apart from the covenants and the law (Rom 3:21-22).

While the prophets spoke about a promised land given to a chosen nation ruling in an earthly kingdom in Jerusalem, Paul spoke of both Jews and Gentiles reigning in heavenly places judging angels (Eph 2:6).

There are many blessings yet future that will fulfill the writings of the law and the prophets including the coming kingdom to Israel. Yet since the secret information was not spoken by the prophets, we live in a period separate from the subject of prophecy.

Instead of an age of law and prophecy, we live in the dispensation of grace which had been hid in God from the foundation of the world (Eph 3:9).

Though the verse clearly says it was secret since the world began, many still try to search the prophets for clues about what is happening now.

It’s time we continue what God started with Paul “to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery” the secret since the world began (Eph 3:9).
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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2018, 10:05:30 am »
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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2018, 12:45:13 pm »
Ever since Israel became a nation once more the OT prophecies hoved into view once more, what happens to Israel from now on has a direct impact upon the BOC.
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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2018, 09:19:41 pm »
EPIC! Daniel 7 Perfectly Describes What’s Coming!



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What many had dismissed as either gibberish, or at most, allegorical and metaphorical language, are now potential realities due to the unlocking of the human imagination with the computer and internet.

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Re: The Millennial Jews
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2018, 09:34:13 pm »
Ever since Israel became a nation once more the OT prophecies hoved into view once more, what happens to Israel from now on has a direct impact upon the BOC.

Billy, this is where you and I will have to disagree. OT Prophecies especially Daniel 9 24-27 take us to Revelation which is NT Prophecies.

None of it will have any effect on the BOC. NONE! as the CHURCH will be removed from the time of temptation. The CHurch will be GONE from this earth.

 God will again turn His attention back to Israel.and the coming trials and tribulation for the earth dwellers.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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