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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2018, 08:45:27 am »
Yo

What I fail to see is where you get the 2/3s from at the time of the end....of course you are Pretrib, I am definitely Post [as was Jesus  :P]

A crucial understanding is 9.26. and the people of the prince who is to come some people believe this prince who is to come is the Lord, but no it is Antichrist.

So the prince who is to come Antichrist is future but the people of the prince who is to come [the Romans] were those who destroyed the temple and the city thus the prophesied 2/3s.

But it is Antichrist who is yet to come who will have a covenant with Israel for one week, or seven years but will break it after 3 and 1/2 years.

This is the tribulation 7 years but Israel will be in peace, having a peace treaty with Ac while the rest of the world is in utter turmoil, so we see the tribulation period cut short as the Lord prophesied "lest all flesh should perish" so more correctly I am mid-trib rapture.

But I srael escapes which is totally in line with Jeremiah 30 and with Dan.12.

Thanks for your imput  :)
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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2018, 10:00:54 pm »
Yo

What I fail to see is where you get the 2/3s from at the time of the end....of course you are Pretrib, I am definitely Post [as was Jesus  :P]

A crucial understanding is 9.26. and the people of the prince who is to come some people believe this prince who is to come is the Lord, but no it is Antichrist.

So the prince who is to come Antichrist is future but the people of the prince who is to come [the Romans] were those who destroyed the temple and the city thus the prophesied 2/3s.

But it is Antichrist who is yet to come who will have a covenant with Israel for one week, or seven years but will break it after 3 and 1/2 years.

This is the tribulation 7 years but Israel will be in peace, having a peace treaty with Ac while the rest of the world is in utter turmoil, so we see the tribulation period cut short as the Lord prophesied "lest all flesh should perish" so more correctly I am mid-trib rapture.

But I srael escapes which is totally in line with Jeremiah 30 and with Dan.12.

Thanks for your imput  :)


Billy,  [The people of the prince], was not the Romans. This was the eastern leg of ROME and they employed not Roman soldiers but local people who could sign up for service in the Roman Army and become a roman citizen.  Thus people throughout the middle east  the Assyrians or other locals. Micah 5 tells us the anti-christ will be an Assyrian. Remember NIMROD, the First Assyrian King and leader of an empire. Would not the Anti-Christ be the Last Leader of an Empire. (the One world Empire)??

The Anti-christ will be of Assyrian dissent.

The anti-christ will (enforce) as covenant with Israel and WHO (Death and HELL)  Isaiah 28:14-18). This covenant will allow the Jewish people to rebuild the temple in search of the Messiah they so long ago killed on the Cross.

There are many more prophecies that will affect Israel and GOD will save them everytime. God himself tells us He will save a Remnant (1/3  the size of the population when Daniel’s 70th week begins)

As far as post and mid trib Raptures, Jesus did not tell HIS BRIDE (the Church) that she would be beaten up and killed before He could take her to the marriage supper.

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2018, 12:13:30 pm »
Riiight….the remnant are the church Jews, the apostles et al.

I really cannot agree that Jesus did not warn His bride about the great end time persecution [aka the great tribulation] it is for His name's sake we will be hated by all.

It cannot be the Jews...no way

for children will deliver up parents unto death and parents the children. This kind of persecution must be horrific beyond our imagination that parents will deliver up their children to death.

Now think

If the persecution is coming upon the Jews because they are Jewish then the parents would be betraying themselves also, for if the children are Jewish then the parents must be Jewish also. Similarly if the children deliver up the parents to death.

No this persecution is coming upon the church...I do not expect to be raptured [actually I'll prolly get run over by a bus] but if I don't and if I don't die of old age I fully expect to be martyred.

This is that great crowd which no man could number which suddenly appeared in glory which John saw, who had palm branches in their hand and had washed their robes and made them white...these are imo martyrs.


In the previous chapter the martyrs under the altar cried for justice and were told to wait until they should be joined by their fellow brethren martyrs, they were given white robes. This huge multitude which now appeared are these martyrs.
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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2018, 03:05:19 pm »
Those of Israel who were to escape the destruction of Jerusalem escaped.
Those who were to be martyred because they were hated by both Jews and Gentiles were martyred.
There is no "missing" 70th week.
Christ was crucified in the middle of it.
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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2018, 06:30:06 pm »
Those of Israel who were to escape the destruction of Jerusalem escaped.
Those who were to be martyred because they were hated by both Jews and Gentiles were martyred.
There is no "missing" 70th week.
Christ was crucified in the middle of it.

Ah, 1Mind1Spirit, has a Ammillist-preterist Theology. Hope this finds you well.

Have always argued against your theology. Got to ask WHY do you think this way when overwhelming evidence supports the prophecies of the BIBLE?

JUst asking and hope you have a great evening.

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2018, 01:16:00 am »
I'm neither preterist nor futurist.
I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified.

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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2018, 07:15:35 pm »
I'm neither preterist nor futurist.
I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified.

Hey 1Mind1Spirit, don't believe I called you a Futurist. That would make you like me or close..????
https://3169.createaforum.com/Smileys/users/3169/grin.gif

Preterist are ones who incorporate the Nation of Israel into the CHurch instead of God having two plans He only has one. https://3169.createaforum.com/Smileys/users/3169/undecided.gif

Rem, Jesus cannot marry Israel as She is a divorced woman.

you said:"I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified."


How anyone call Jesus the Anti-Christ...Oh, wait a minute, I know.. Daniel 9:26  Don't see how you are getting that from this verse either?

How did Jesus Cause the OBLATION (worship) to cease out of Daniel 9:27 which is in Daniel's 70th week?

Oh well, Hope you have a great evening

Blade

1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2018, 09:29:18 pm »
I'm neither preterist nor futurist.
I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified.

Hey 1Mind1Spirit, don't believe I called you a Futurist. That would make you like me or close..????
https://3169.createaforum.com/Smileys/users/3169/grin.gif

Preterist are ones who incorporate the Nation of Israel into the CHurch instead of God having two plans He only has one. https://3169.createaforum.com/Smileys/users/3169/undecided.gif

Rem, Jesus cannot marry Israel as She is a divorced woman.

you said:"I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified."


How anyone call Jesus the Anti-Christ...Oh, wait a minute, I know.. Daniel 9:26  Don't see how you are getting that from this verse either?

How did Jesus Cause the OBLATION (worship) to cease out of Daniel 9:27 which is in Daniel's 70th week?

Oh well, Hope you have a great evening

Blade


Why would you think Jesus' sacrifice didn't count for another 30 some odd years?
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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2018, 09:35:45 pm »

This is that great crowd which no man could number which suddenly appeared in glory which John saw, who had palm branches in their hand and had washed their robes and made them white...these are imo martyrs.

In the previous chapter the martyrs under the altar cried for justice and were told to wait until they should be joined by their fellow brethren martyrs, they were given white robes. This huge multitude which now appeared are these martyrs. [/color][/size][/font]
Nope.
These are those who believe in Christ,


In the previous chapter the martyrs under the altar cried for justice and were told to wait until they should be joined by their fellow brethren martyrs, they were given white robes. This huge multitude which now appeared are these martyrs. [/color][/size][/font]

These are those slain from righteous Abel until the destruction of Jerusalem.

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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2018, 10:22:32 pm »
I'm neither preterist nor futurist.
I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified.

Hey 1Mind1Spirit, don't believe I called you a Futurist. That would make you like me or close..????
https://3169.createaforum.com/Smileys/users/3169/grin.gif

Preterist are ones who incorporate the Nation of Israel into the CHurch instead of God having two plans He only has one. https://3169.createaforum.com/Smileys/users/3169/undecided.gif

Rem, Jesus cannot marry Israel as She is a divorced woman.

you said:"I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified."


How anyone call Jesus the Anti-Christ...Oh, wait a minute, I know.. Daniel 9:26  Don't see how you are getting that from this verse either?

How did Jesus Cause the OBLATION (worship) to cease out of Daniel 9:27 which is in Daniel's 70th week?

Oh well, Hope you have a great evening

Blade


Why would you think Jesus' sacrifice didn't count for another 30 some odd years?

DO WHAT? did not count? It counted in the next  days after His resurrection.

Daniel's 9:27 is a prophecy if I am hearing right?

God (the Father) is the one who divorced Israel and is the one to remarry HER.

Jesus' Bride is HIS Church (believers in His Gospel)
 (1 Cor 15:1-4) during the Dispensation of Grace period., This started at Acts 2 and will end with the Rapture of the Church to Heaven.

You Said:How did Jesus Cause the OBLATION (worship) to cease out of Daniel 9:27 which is in Daniel's 70th week?

Jesus did not cause it, the Pseudo Christ did. You are reading Daniel 9:27 wrong.  Let me try to explain:

Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (prior to Prince in next line)be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Daniel 9:27.."And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

We see in verse 27:" he" is the antecedent to the previous paragraph, verse Daniel 9:26.

Define "ANECEDENT" a thing or event that existed before or logically precedes another.

In Daniel 9:26. ".... and the people of the prince that shall..."  is the Antecedent not the "Messiah" which was before the Prince.

What I am saying is grammatically correct. If you do not believe,  please consult a English teacher.

It is the Pseudo-Christ that will be from ancestry of the people that were with Titus in 70AD. These people were of Assyrian Ancestry. So will be the Pseudo Christ. Another Nimrod first King of the first Empire (Assyrian).

Jesus Christ was and is still in heaven awaiting the fullness of the Church. Not the gentiles but the Church.

The Fullness of the Gentiles will not be until the end of Daniel's 70th week.  Armageddon will remove all gentiles from Jerusalem thus the (Fullness of the Gentiles).

1Mind1SPirit
, there are many, many scholars and others that agree with my explanation of the Pseudo Christ and who HE will be. Keep in mind that there was NO AOD during the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem. The temple was set fire by the priest within as was the city itself. However, the Romans after seeing this, decided to burn the rest adding insult to injury.

Again, the temple was burnt. Titus nor anyone else defiled the Holy of Holies within its walls while they were standing that is.

Hang in there my friend.

Blade



1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Very good blade,
You should do the same with the rest, however, the Daniel passage dissolves into a generation, as I see it.  I mean the desolation coming like a flood.  Given that there was already a major rebellion (a messianic zealot one) in 6 during the census (Acts 5), the country could have gone up in smoke anytime from then to 66, when the final one started. 
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Very good blade,
You should do the same with the rest, however, the Daniel passage dissolves into a generation, as I see it.  I mean the desolation coming like a flood.  Given that there was already a major rebellion (a messianic zealot one) in 6 during the census (Acts 5), the country could have gone up in smoke anytime from then to 66, when the final one started.

Final What started. In 70 AD the temple was burnt to the ground, Jerusalem, the city itself is not completely destroyed and there is still a Jewish presence there. There is simply no rebellion.

The meaning of desolate empty, to include people, etc. A desert while has many tribes traveling over it, has places that have not seen people in a while. No nothing except maybe rodents live there. This is desolate.

The AOD did not take place in 70 AD and the se3cond one has not taken place yet. The first one was in 167 BC.

The church was married to the State (world went Christian) around 300 AD and Jerusalem was completely destroyed and PLOWED UNDER in 135AD. This is when the remaining Jewish population was under diaspora throughout the world. 

I know you think the Jews are part of the CHurch now but Jesus tells us in Romans 9,10 and 11 their past, presence and future. To dispute the Lord's WORD would not be a good idea.

The desolation like a Flood is used in Rev. and means the hordes of gentiles armies that are being held off by the antichrist's covenant during the first half of Daniel's 70th week. These armies are probably as bad as the roman armies were in ancient times. Pillage, Rape, killing babies (although the US does that efficiently enough today), killing men, women and children that do not believe as they do. Does this remind you of anything in the US today. The Liberal left has the same mindset. If you do not agree with them, then you are dirt under their feet. one step away from pulling the trigger in order to get their way. It is coming very soon,,,I suspect sooner than anyone suspects. ARE YOU READY!
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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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"I know you think the Jews are part of the church now."

You are a very confused person.

To have faith in the Gospel of Christ's righteousness is to be a believer.  God is working with believers, not unbelievers.  It does not matter what gender, race or DNA the person is any more.  That is neither for nor against them.  Rom 11:30:  he has shown all men bound to sin, that he might have mercy on them all.  Race, gender, class does not matter. 
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