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The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« on: August 21, 2018, 04:50:18 am »



The Great Tribulation must not be mixed up with God's wrath, no blood bought soul will ever have to suffer the wrath of God, no matter how backslidden they are.

The Great Tribulation is that period in history [yet to come] mentioned only a few times in scriptures, In Daniel, in our Lord's Mt Olivet sermon and in Jeremiah where it is called the time of "Jacob's trouble"

Let's look at what God says in Jeremiah and see if we could see something we didn't see before.  :)

Jeremiah 30:5
For thus saith the Lord, we have heard a voice of trembling, of fear and not peace.
Ask ye now and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands upon his loins as a woman in travail and all faces are turned to paleness?

Alas for that day is great so that none is like it, it is even the time of Jacob's trouble
BUT
...he shall be saved out of it

for it shall come to pass in that day saith the Lord of hosts that I will break his yoke from off thy neck and will burst thy bonds and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him. But they shall serve the Lord their God and David their king whomI will raise up to them

Therefore FEAR YE NOT o My servant Jacob saith the Lord NEITHER BE DISMAYED o Israel for lo I will SAVE THEE from afar and thy seed from the land of their captivity

And Jacob shall return AND SHALL BE IN REST and BE QUIET and NONE SHALL MAKE HIM AFRAID

For I am with thee saith the Lord to SAVE THEE, though I make a full end of the nations, but I will correct thee in measure and I will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
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This scripture is fully borne out in Dan.12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for thy people. And there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation even to that time and at that time THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, everyone that shall be found written in the book.
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WHY then is it called the time of Jacob's trouble?

In Jeremiah we clearly see the people are in dread fear...God asks "WHY? why are you afraid? this is the time of your VINDICATION...I'm gunna break the yoke off of your neck, you'll be SAVED, you'll be IN PEACE, you'll be AT REST, NONE SHALL MAKE YOU AFRAID.

It is called the time of Jacob's trouble because the trouble is coming upon the nations ON JACOB'S BEHALF.

Watch this close now, for it shows who will and who will not go through the Great Tribulation.

He says it is not the MAN who travails in childbirth it is the WOMAN who travails in childbirth

See...Israel is God's firstborn son, the church is His Bride

And the PURPOSE of our travail, the Great Tribulation is to give birth, spiritual birth to the nation of Israel.
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The Great Tribulation must not be mixed up with God's wrath, no blood bought soul will ever have to suffer the wrath of God, no matter how backslidden they are.

The Great Tribulation is that period in history [yet to come] mentioned only a few times in scriptures, In Daniel, in our Lord's Mt Olivet sermon and in Jeremiah where it is called the time of "Jacob's trouble"

Let's look at what God says in Jeremiah and see if we could see something we didn't see before.  :)

Jeremiah 30:5
For thus saith the Lord, we have heard a voice of trembling, of fear and not peace.
Ask ye now and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands upon his loins as a woman in travail and all faces are turned to paleness?

Alas for that day is great so that none is like it, it is even the time of Jacob's trouble
BUT
...he shall be saved out of it

for it shall come to pass in that day saith the Lord of hosts that I will break his yoke from off thy neck and will burst thy bonds and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him. But they shall serve the Lord their God and David their king whomI will raise up to them

Therefore FEAR YE NOT o My servant Jacob saith the Lord NEITHER BE DISMAYED o Israel for lo I will SAVE THEE from afar and thy seed from the land of their captivity

And Jacob shall return AND SHALL BE IN REST and BE QUIET and NONE SHALL MAKE HIM AFRAID

For I am with thee saith the Lord to SAVE THEE, though I make a full end of the nations, but I will correct thee in measure and I will not leave thee altogether unpunished.


When scripture interprets scripture, and one is conformed by scriptural view, this really is the only possible meaning of these passages.
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Good topic.
Dan 9:24  Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 

The verse above must speak of a yet future event, because Jesus will be anointed. I believe that this is His anointing as king. I also believe that Israel will also be purged of her nonbelieving elements during this 70th week. Look at how many die in the earthquakes in Israel during that week. Many Jews will also be saved during this time.
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Christ is anointed, in fact Christ means anointed, He HAS made an end of sins and made reconciliation for iniquities, He has brought in everlasting righteousness.

The vision and the prophecy is now sealed up in Christ. The most holy is anointed.

But Christ was cut off after 62 weeks, all that happened to the Jews happened between the 62 and the 69th week...the word is desolations not earthquake.

Now look you can't mix up prophecies  :)

There in all the Prophets we see the early prophecies concerning Israel and the later prophecies, these later prophecies are usually designated "in the last days" or "in the latter times"

The early prophecies deal with the FALL of Israel and the later prophecies deal with the RISE of Israel, there are prophecies of judgement and punishment, banishment and prophecies of gathering and blessing. God can't be doing both these things at the same time, He is either judging them or He is blessing them and keeping them safe, He can't be scattering them and gathering them too.

So what do we see God doing now? He is gathering them, and He IS protecting them, we can actually SEE this with our own eyes.
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Christ is anointed, in fact Christ means anointed, He HAS made an end of sins and made reconciliation for iniquities, He has brought in everlasting righteousness.

The vision and the prophecy is now sealed up in Christ. The most holy is anointed.

But Christ was cut off after 62 weeks, all that happened to the Jews happened between the 62 and the 69th week...the word is desolations not earthquake.

Now look you can't mix up prophecies  :)

There in all the Prophets we see the early prophecies concerning Israel and the later prophecies, these later prophecies are usually designated "in the last days" or "in the latter times"

The early prophecies deal with the FALL of Israel and the later prophecies deal with the RISE of Israel, there are prophecies of judgement and punishment, banishment and prophecies of gathering and blessing. God can't be doing both these things at the same time, He is either judging them or He is blessing them and keeping them safe, He can't be scattering them and gathering them too.

So what do we see God doing now? He is gathering them, and He IS protecting them, we can actually SEE this with our own eyes.


How are you defining earlier and later prophecies?

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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OK, so not hard and fast, but if we read Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel for eg we see in the early portions God is dealing with Israel according to the rebelliousness, punishing them and warning them of being scattered or driven out. But then we read the later portions where God promises to restore them and bring them home and bless them and protect them.

He can't be doing both at the same time. Jacob's trouble is all about Antichrist's invasion of Jerusalem with his armies, but God is going to come and fight for Israel. It is the time of Israel's vindication.
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OK, so not hard and fast, but if we read Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel for eg we see in the early portions God is dealing with Israel according to the rebelliousness, punishing them and warning them of being scattered or driven out. But then we read the later portions where God promises to restore them and bring them home and bless them and protect them.

He can't be doing both at the same time. Jacob's trouble is all about Antichrist's invasion of Jerusalem with his armies, but God is going to come and fight for Israel. It is the time of Israel's vindication.


The hordes will be outside the city when the antichrist (son of Perdition) declares the AOD. Those Jews who believe in Jesus Christ and are alive, will flee the city as Jesus told them to do. They will flee to Petra. At around the same time, Michael is throwing Satan out of Heaven. Yes, Satan still has access in heaven even after all these years.

WHen Satan comes to earth, the antichritst (man of sin) will have been fatally wounded. Satan will take over His body and mimic the resurrection Jesus did 2000 years ago. The AOD will then Happen.

God will protect the Jewish people fleeing Jerusalem and will feed and water them at that place. Rev 12.

Please keep in mind,  2/3 of the Jewish people's population at that time will die during Daniel's 70th week with most of them dying during ' Jacob's trouble',the Great tribulation spoken of by Jesus, last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70tyh week.

The Remnant (1/3) will be at Petra.

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If by chance a post rapture happens, then all those left on earth after the wicked are killed off will be believers. These believers include all the church, tribulation Believers left on earth including the Jewish people and the OT saints. All these plus those dead in all categories (in Christ) will be resurrected and receive translated Bodies. In other words, everyone will be as Jesus is.

No one will have a mortal body. No one will need the Fruit from the Tree of Life that is in the Garden of Eden.

Who will populate the earth's millennium.  HUM..... So much for prophecy. Thus, if one small error is contained within the Bible prophecy, then we simply need to throw it out along with the GOD who authored it?

Happily, it will not happen that way.  All prophecy will happen as it is literally written and the Millennium will be lead by the very GOD whose Love and Grace has embraced us and forgiven our sins. Jesus Christ.



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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2018, 04:49:29 am »
70 WEEKS, (DANIEL IS A VERY DIFFICULT BOOK TO INTERPRET, LIKE THE APOCALYPSE THE INTERPRETATIONS ARE LEGION)

62 WEEKS ENDED WITH THE MESSIAH BEING CUT OFF, IT IS IN THIS PERIOD BETWEEN THE 62ND WEEK AND THE 69TH WEEK WE SEE THE PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE WHO IS TO COME [ANTICHRIST] CAME IN AND DESTROYED THE CITY AND THE TEMPLE. THAT IS WHEN THE CHRISTRIANS FLED TO PETRA AND 2/3 OF JEWS WERE KILLED.

THERE IS ONE WEEK YET REMAINING, IN THAT WEEK (7 YEARS) THERE WILL BE A TREATY BETWEEN THE PRINCE WHO IS TO COME (ANTICHRIST) AND ISRAEL, AFTER 3 AND 1/2 YEARS HE WILL BREAK THAT TREATY AND INVADE ISRAEL.

THAT IS WHEN THE ABOMINATION WILL TAKE PLACE AND WHEN CHRIST DESCENDS FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT AND THE RAP TAKES PLACE...ANTICHRIST IS DESTROYED AND THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGINS.

THE CHURCH WILL HAVE ENDURED ANTICHRIST'S REIGN, BUT ISRAEL WILL HAVE HAD A TREATY DURING THE 3 AND 1/2 YEARS
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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2018, 09:40:56 pm »
70 WEEKS, (DANIEL IS A VERY DIFFICULT BOOK TO INTERPRET, LIKE THE APOCALYPSE THE INTERPRETATIONS ARE LEGION)

62 WEEKS ENDED WITH THE MESSIAH BEING CUT OFF, IT IS IN THIS PERIOD BETWEEN THE 62ND WEEK AND THE 69TH WEEK WE SEE THE PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE WHO IS TO COME [ANTICHRIST] CAME IN AND DESTROYED THE CITY AND THE TEMPLE. THAT IS WHEN THE CHRISTRIANS FLED TO PETRA AND 2/3 OF JEWS WERE KILLED.

THERE IS ONE WEEK YET REMAINING, IN THAT WEEK (7 YEARS) THERE WILL BE A TREATY BETWEEN THE PRINCE WHO IS TO COME (ANTICHRIST) AND ISRAEL, AFTER 3 AND 1/2 YEARS HE WILL BREAK THAT TREATY AND INVADE ISRAEL.

THAT IS WHEN THE ABOMINATION WILL TAKE PLACE AND WHEN CHRIST DESCENDS FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT AND THE RAP TAKES PLACE...ANTICHRIST IS DESTROYED AND THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGINS.

THE CHURCH WILL HAVE ENDURED ANTICHRIST'S REIGN, BUT ISRAEL WILL HAVE HAD A TREATY DURING THE 3 AND 1/2 YEARS

Billy: Are you are speaking of the of the Macabellion Revolt because of the Abomination of Desolate caused by Antiochus Epiphanes.

Likewise in the 70 AD prophecy of Jesus Christ, there were no Christians that died as they Believed Jesus and Fled when the Roman Army surrounded the city.

The Jews who did not believe did not leave and died. It was NOT 2/3 of the Population as they were then scattered all across the earth in every different nation only to come back (Dry Bones Prophecy) to their own land in 1948.

OH, there was no Abomination of Desolate during 70 AD. The temple BURNT to the Ground, some (Josephus) say the temple was set on fire by the priest to protect it from the soldiers.

Because it burnt to the ground, the heat melted the Gold inlaid in the walls, ceiling, etc.. This is why the soldiers were told by Gen Titus to move every stone to get the gold.

Yes, there was soldiers praying to their Idols while they were huddled around the eastern Gate but this was NOT, I repeat NOT an Abomination of Desolate. This could only happen in the Holy of Holies and it was destroyed by fire.

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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2018, 05:55:12 pm »
We might just be missing each other in passing Blade because we read Dan differently, do you see a gap at the 69th week? that means there is 1 more week left, I understand, I'm afraid every commentator reads it differently, but as I understand, that in that week which is 7 years and is still future the temple will be built, in the time of trouble, that is the tribulation.

Antichrist will be in control everywhere but he will have a 7 year treaty or pact with Israel but he will break it after 31/2 years and invade, his sitting in the temple will be the abomination and the Lord will destroy him at His coming.
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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2018, 08:16:18 pm »
We might just be missing each other in passing Blade because we read Dan differently, do you see a gap at the 69th week? that means there is 1 more week left, I understand, I'm afraid every commentator reads it differently, but as I understand, that in that week which is 7 years and is still future the temple will be built, in the time of trouble, that is the tribulation.

Antichrist will be in control everywhere but he will have a 7 year treaty or pact with Israel but he will break it after 31/2 years and invade, his sitting in the temple will be the abomination and the Lord will destroy him at His coming.


HI Billy... and a good evening to you sir!

Yes, I do read Daniel a little different than you. The 69 weeks brings us to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and stops there.

The 70th week is prophesied in Dan 9:27..  and you have generalized it very well,. lol...

How do you read it differently? Just inquisitive. Each verse is independent of the others.

Gabriel told Daniel right, Jesus appeared on that very day 69 weeks or 173,880 days, April 6, 32AD, from the command to rebuild Jerusalem, the temple and "the city wall and streets" was given on March 14, 445 B.C. by Artaxerxes Longimanus.

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