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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2020, 11:53:57 am »
Before I comment and make a statement that causes unnecessary discussions, are you using eschatological as it apply's strictly to an individual or as originally used in theology as it relates to mankind and end times?

For me it makes a difference, but then I am just a strange person on theology I have been told.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2020, 11:33:45 am »
Before I comment and make a statement that causes unnecessary discussions, are you using eschatological as it apply's strictly to an individual or as originally used in theology as it relates to mankind and end times?

For me it makes a difference, but then I am just a strange person on theology I have been told.


We are speaking about prophecy as it relates to the end-times, Bro Blade seems to have picked up the "left behind" nonsense, which I find surprising considering his doctrinal point of view on other matters.


Nobody gets left behind.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2020, 12:00:19 pm »
Before I comment and make a statement that causes unnecessary discussions, are you using eschatological as it apply's strictly to an individual or as originally used in theology as it relates to mankind and end times?

For me it makes a difference, but then I am just a strange person on theology I have been told.


We are speaking about prophecy as it relates to the end-times, Bro Blade seems to have picked up the "left behind" nonsense, which I find surprising considering his doctrinal point of view on other matters.


Nobody gets left behind.
I get nightmares that I'm the only one left behind to fight the demons.  ;D
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2020, 12:08:14 pm »
That's a good one PJ.  While mine is similar being the last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine, I overslept.   ;D ;D
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2020, 05:17:37 pm »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2020, 11:07:01 pm »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2020, 11:13:04 pm »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade
Good post Blade.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2020, 11:45:12 pm »
I fr5eely admit I am torn on this and it caused me consternation in seminary.  There were clear divisions of everyone gets in and no one but a select few get the golden ticket so to speak.  I actually could see both sides in the argument be valid as they could support them with scriptures and past great theologian's writings.    But doesn't it really come down to what type of God you think God is?  Is he the fire and brimstone one of the old testament or the benevolent one of the new testament and most of the modern-day writers.   My reading lead me to believe that it is some wear in between.  I think when end days happen everyone has the chance, but only a few will do what is needed in the end. 

But again, that's just my humble opinion.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2020, 05:27:37 pm »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade
Good post Blade.


it's nonsense
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2020, 05:46:41 pm »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade


So mixed up.


You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.


Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of heaven"


Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics there in heaven if they have been born again.


Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be packed.


John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could number.


The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will inherit the earth.


The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third of mankind.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2020, 10:25:59 pm »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade


So mixed up.


You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.


Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of heaven"


Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics there in heaven if they have been born again.


Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be packed.


John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could number.


The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will inherit the earth.


The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third of mankind.

what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in the bowl judgements

How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's WORDs

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2020, 03:39:17 am »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade


So mixed up.


You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.


Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of heaven"


Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics there in heaven if they have been born again.


Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be packed.


John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could number.


The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will inherit the earth.


The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third of mankind.

what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in the bowl judgements

How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's WORDs

Blade


It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.


God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against Israel.


Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and rolled out from Israel


YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?


Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.


But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to SAVE people.


The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's righteous reign.


And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2020, 09:20:07 am »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade


So mixed up.


You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.


Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of heaven"


Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics there in heaven if they have been born again.


Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be packed.


John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could number.


The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will inherit the earth.


The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third of mankind.

what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in the bowl judgements

How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's WORDs

Blade


It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.


God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against Israel.


Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and rolled out from Israel


YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?


Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.


But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to SAVE people.


The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's righteous reign.


And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.

Don't know where your getting your figures Billy but they are not Biblical..

Here are a few...

Mankind during Daniel's 70th week: Mankind = Jew and Gentile

Because of the Seal Judgments, 1/4 of mankind will die.

Because of the Trumpet Judgment , another 1/3 of the remaining population of Mankind will die.

This represents over Half of the earth's population will die during the first two judgments.

Because of the Bowl (vial) judgments, all of the sea creatures will die and an unspecified number of remaining humans will die.

Sheep and Goat Judgment will pruge all the surviving nations of those people who were/are anti-Sematic. The Goats will be cast into the Lake of Fire, being their final Judgment.  Only those judged as Sheep will be permitted into the Millennium. A remnant of Mankind.


During Daniel's 70th week, 2/3 (66%) of the Jews on earth will die. Only the remaining 1/3 (remnant of Israel) will live through the Millennium.

I am teaching darkness as that is what is coming..much of its beginning is here now. Those who do not see the darkness coming will most likely have to live through it after the restrainer (His Church) has gone.

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