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Author Topic: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?  (Read 4639 times)

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Jesus said you will be hated by all men for my name's sake so it is the church. I reject your doctrinal position and show you in every case what the bible says.

Jesus was speaking to Jews and not the CHurch was not yet born...



Yes the Jews are hated and they will be chased back to their homeland but they will be Jeremiah says saved, Daniel says St michael will stand up and they will be delivered.

Billy, at least insert the scripture you are quoting from?

The church has been a major instrument in the persecution of the Jews, it is ingrained in the church, the thought they are Christ rejecters, it started with the RCC and it carried right over into the reformation. I believe this is a reason why the church must go through the Great Tribulation.

Billy, Yes you are right about the Church (brick and mortar).   Ah I see the Problem you are having....It is separatig the CHurch (brick and Mortar from the Spiritual Church of Jesus (his Body /Bride Elect)...They are two different things...

The Church (brick and mortar) include most of the denominations and non-denominations including the RCC. They say they are in Christ but 90% are not.

The Spiritual Church contains the the only TRUE believers. These believers include both races of the earth. (Gentile and Jew)..I am part of that Church and support Israel at all times. 

If you will learn to separate these two entities, you and I will agree on much we have previous disagreed on.






I research the bible, your pretribulation rapture doctrine is a contrivance of men and was not the doctrine of the church until modern times. Christ said "After [that is post] the tribulation of those days the church will be gathered" 

No, Billy, you have ignored what proof I have given.The Pre-TRIB Doctrine is part of the Bible, God's Word., I can and have been proving the Rapture was actually believed in since the 100 AD and before. You have to really be careful with the "After the tribulation of those days".  I explained this before and I would bet you did not been read it....you are so set in your beliefs, you will not follow the commands of Jesus /Paul in (Acts 17:11).

so sad.




So who is it who is not researching?

Yes who ins not researching anything.......when you through off proof with a (BIZNIZ) comment....

Blade


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Jesus was speaking to His disciples who are the church, "persecuted for My name's sake..." 

Your kidding right?, The disciples are not the whole Church (His Body/Bride Elect) of Jesus. Those of us who are true believers are also part of that Church.  There are still many people who are also true believers and they too are persecuted/oppressed even today. It is a blessing that you and I are not in that group being persecuted, right now that is!

I'm afraid the antisemitism goes beyond brick and mortar, Luther who was used above everybody to reform the church hated the Jews and they were generally hated by the church.
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You obviously do not have idea about Luther. He had a problem with the doctrine of 'Work before Faith = Salvation'.  He had decided that Salvation was apart from the works of a person and only needed Faith/belief in Jesus Christ. All other beliefs of the RCC, he retained and thereby he was as bad as the Church during the crusades.

In fact, the letter John wrote to the Church of 'Sardis in Rev 3:1. This church through out the years has been representing the churches that have the same characteristics and the original Sardis church. Here Jesus (the author of all seven letters) decribes this time period of Luther and Darby to a tee........and He gives NOTHING they have done right! It is all bad.  His warning to them in Rev 3:3-5 to change or else....

You really need to quite listening to who ever it is you are listening to..They are giving you bad history, etc.


And I say to you this idea that the Jews must go through the tribulation is a reflection of this ingrained idea.

what ingrained idea..I see NO idea, (ingrained  idea)or otherwise that you have put forward with any type of proof.. Mainly because you have none.

I say God is no longer scattering Israel He is gathering them, He is no longer punishing them He is blessing them and will continue to do so.

True, God scattered them in 135 AD and partially blinded them at the same time....While He is bringing them back home to Israel, since 1948, the partial blindness remains as evidence in your refusal to see the truth of GOD's WORD as it is simply, literally read.


The best theologians have ALL rejected pretrib. It is just the pop theologians. The church has always believed that the endtimes would be perilous.

No they are not....Pre-trib has been around since the 1st century and I have proven that through God's Word (scripture) time and time again. Yet, you continue to refuse to accept it. Blinded yes.


I read ALL your replies very carefully. else I would not be able to respond to each point.

You may read them but you do not follow Act 17:11....or you would find what I have said is true.   so sad..

Blade




 

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