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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2020, 09:14:19 pm »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade


So mixed up.


You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.


Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of heaven"


Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics there in heaven if they have been born again.


Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be packed.


John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could number.


The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will inherit the earth.


The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third of mankind.

what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in the bowl judgements

How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's WORDs

Blade


It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.


God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against Israel.


Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and rolled out from Israel


YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?


Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.


But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to SAVE people.


The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's righteous reign.


And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.

Don't know where your getting your figures Billy but they are not Biblical..

Here are a few...

Mankind during Daniel's 70th week: Mankind = Jew and Gentile

Because of the Seal Judgments, 1/4 of mankind will die.

Because of the Trumpet Judgment , another 1/3 of the remaining population of Mankind will die.

This represents over Half of the earth's population will die during the first two judgments.

Because of the Bowl (vial) judgments, all of the sea creatures will die and an unspecified number of remaining humans will die.

Sheep and Goat Judgment will pruge all the surviving nations of those people who were/are anti-Sematic. The Goats will be cast into the Lake of Fire, being their final Judgment.  Only those judged as Sheep will be permitted into the Millennium. A remnant of Mankind.


During Daniel's 70th week, 2/3 (66%) of the Jews on earth will die. Only the remaining 1/3 (remnant of Israel) will live through the Millennium.

I am teaching darkness as that is what is coming..much of its beginning is here now. Those who do not see the darkness coming will most likely have to live through it after the restrainer (His Church) has gone.

Blade


There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in Daniel's 70th week YOU have transposed them there from Revelations.


We take the week to be 7 years, during that 7 years there will be a pact between Antichrist and the Jews which pact he will break after 3 .1/2 years.


All these events happen before the rapture so the church is still here up until the time when Antichrist breaks his pact and invades Jerusalem and the temple.


The seals and the trumpets and the bowls represents God's wrath being poured out AFTER the church is gone. God cannot pour His wrath out while the church is here. That would violate everything we know about God.


The church is raptured to take us away from the seals. the trumpets and the bowls. But the JEWS ALSO are gathered, to their own land they are gathered for the very same reason, to protect them from the seals, the trumpets and the bowls.


But while God is doing all that He is also setting up His kingdom in Israel. The Millennium will begin. There will be reward for those who submit to the reign of Christ with His saints but instant punishment for those who rebel. 
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2020, 09:10:18 am »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade


So mixed up.


You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.


Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of heaven"


Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics there in heaven if they have been born again.


Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be packed.


John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could number.


The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will inherit the earth.


The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third of mankind.

what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in the bowl judgements

How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's WORDs

Blade


It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.


God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against Israel.


Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and rolled out from Israel


YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?


Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.


But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to SAVE people.


The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's righteous reign.


And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.

Don't know where your getting your figures Billy but they are not Biblical..

Here are a few...

Mankind during Daniel's 70th week: Mankind = Jew and Gentile

Because of the Seal Judgments, 1/4 of mankind will die.

Because of the Trumpet Judgment , another 1/3 of the remaining population of Mankind will die.

This represents over Half of the earth's population will die during the first two judgments.

Because of the Bowl (vial) judgments, all of the sea creatures will die and an unspecified number of remaining humans will die.

Sheep and Goat Judgment will pruge all the surviving nations of those people who were/are anti-Sematic. The Goats will be cast into the Lake of Fire, being their final Judgment.  Only those judged as Sheep will be permitted into the Millennium. A remnant of Mankind.


During Daniel's 70th week, 2/3 (66%) of the Jews on earth will die. Only the remaining 1/3 (remnant of Israel) will live through the Millennium.

I am teaching darkness as that is what is coming..much of its beginning is here now. Those who do not see the darkness coming will most likely have to live through it after the restrainer (His Church) has gone.

Blade


There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in Daniel's 70th week YOU have transposed them there from Revelations.


We take the week to be 7 years, during that 7 years there will be a pact between Antichrist and the Jews which pact he will break after 3 .1/2 years.


All these events happen before the rapture so the church is still here up until the time when Antichrist breaks his pact and invades Jerusalem and the temple.


The seals and the trumpets and the bowls represents God's wrath being poured out AFTER the church is gone. God cannot pour His wrath out while the church is here. That would violate everything we know about God.


The church is raptured to take us away from the seals. the trumpets and the bowls. But the JEWS ALSO are gathered, to their own land they are gathered for the very same reason, to protect them from the seals, the trumpets and the bowls.


But while God is doing all that He is also setting up His kingdom in Israel. The Millennium will begin. There will be reward for those who submit to the reign of Christ with His saints but instant punishment for those who rebel.

you said:"There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in Daniel's 70th week YOU have transposed them there from Revelations."

It seems Billy you have strayed away from the word of GOD to the point that you are in reality calling Him a Liar. His Words in Revelation are not symbolic but real and Your denial of them do not make them any less real.

This is the way of the Charismatic preaching of 9 out of 10 churches especially in the UK and Europe.  So Sad!

Blade

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2020, 03:28:00 am »
Thats a good on PJ.  While mine is similar being last one left to fight demons, it wasn't caused left behind, but in mine I over slept.   ;D ;D


By the way I'm not making fun of Bro. Blade.


But this took me right back to when I worked as a railman for London underground, I've never been very good at getting up in the morning and sometimes we had to start at 4.00 am.


I was ALWAYS late late late.


My station master was real old fashioned cockney, one morning I arrived late as ever, hat and uniform askew, totally puffed. He began talking quietly in my ear "I 'ope for your sake that when the Good Lawd does return [shouting "'E don't come back in the mawning cos if 'E does YOU'LL BLINKING WELL MISS 'IM"


very cute Billy....lol

Lets look at it like this....Lets say I am right.......What is your Plan B?

For if I am wrong, Jesus is going to beat up and kill His Bride before taking her out to dinner...I can really take comfort in that......(1 Thes 4:13-18)

For if I am wrong, then I have no doubt I will die with HIS name on my lips, for I will not live through Daniel's 70th week.

I know you are looking forward to those days Billy where 1/4 of the earth will die from the Seal Judgements or do you deny those days also..

The charismatic teachings of the ROC, 9 out of 10 denominations and non-denominationals, will not get  to Heaven...There is a narrow road where only a few will make it..

Blade


So mixed up.


You can't distinguish between tribulation which we are told we must go through and God's wrath from which we are taken away.


Many times I have shown you that Jesus said "AFTER the tribulation of those days ... they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of heaven"


Tribulation is the persecution Jesus warned us to expect. And I believe the church itself is the narrow way, the only distinction to be made is the new birth. There will be Catholics there in heaven if they have been born again.


Jesus said MANY shall come. He said His Father's house will be packed.


John SAW the church [which incidentally had come out of the great tribulation] and it was a multitude which no man could number.


The idea that just a few shrivelled souls will ever make it is nonsense ... and besides all this there are those who will inherit the earth.


The devil will not have billions and billions of human souls. He took a third of the angels and my guess is he will take a third of mankind.

what about the 1/4 of mankind in the seals
then 1/3 of mankind in the trumpets
and
everything in the seas, and an undisclosed number of humans in the bowl judgements

How do you understand this...Dismiss it.....After al it is GOD's WORDs

Blade


It's not for the church is it. It's not tribulation, it is AFTER the church is gone, it is God's wrath being poured out.


God's wrath begins with Antichrist and those who come up against Israel.


Then the kingdom is established and set up in Jerusalem and rolled out from Israel


YOU said it, you said it yourself. Always you see God's wrath is poured out upon a third. A third of mankind who refuse to repent, who will not submit. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TWO THIRDS?


Christians are so-oo gloomy, their noses are rubbed into the dark threatenings and damnation aspect of what God does.


But the purpose of the 1,000 years is that the rest of mankind can come in through the Jews. God is SAVIOUR. His will is to SAVE people.


The 1, 000 years is when Nations will beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks and nations will study war no more. PEACE and PROSPERITY will attend Jesu's righteous reign.


And nations will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of Jacob to learn His ways. Glory to God.

Don't know where your getting your figures Billy but they are not Biblical..

Here are a few...

Mankind during Daniel's 70th week: Mankind = Jew and Gentile

Because of the Seal Judgments, 1/4 of mankind will die.

Because of the Trumpet Judgment , another 1/3 of the remaining population of Mankind will die.

This represents over Half of the earth's population will die during the first two judgments.

Because of the Bowl (vial) judgments, all of the sea creatures will die and an unspecified number of remaining humans will die.

Sheep and Goat Judgment will pruge all the surviving nations of those people who were/are anti-Sematic. The Goats will be cast into the Lake of Fire, being their final Judgment.  Only those judged as Sheep will be permitted into the Millennium. A remnant of Mankind.


During Daniel's 70th week, 2/3 (66%) of the Jews on earth will die. Only the remaining 1/3 (remnant of Israel) will live through the Millennium.

I am teaching darkness as that is what is coming..much of its beginning is here now. Those who do not see the darkness coming will most likely have to live through it after the restrainer (His Church) has gone.

Blade


There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in Daniel's 70th week YOU have transposed them there from Revelations.


We take the week to be 7 years, during that 7 years there will be a pact between Antichrist and the Jews which pact he will break after 3 .1/2 years.


All these events happen before the rapture so the church is still here up until the time when Antichrist breaks his pact and invades Jerusalem and the temple.


The seals and the trumpets and the bowls represents God's wrath being poured out AFTER the church is gone. God cannot pour His wrath out while the church is here. That would violate everything we know about God.


The church is raptured to take us away from the seals. the trumpets and the bowls. But the JEWS ALSO are gathered, to their own land they are gathered for the very same reason, to protect them from the seals, the trumpets and the bowls.


But while God is doing all that He is also setting up His kingdom in Israel. The Millennium will begin. There will be reward for those who submit to the reign of Christ with His saints but instant punishment for those who rebel.

you said:"There are NO seals, NO trumpets, NO bowls of wrath in Daniel's 70th week YOU have transposed them there from Revelations."

It seems Billy you have strayed away from the word of GOD to the point that you are in reality calling Him a Liar. His Words in Revelation are not symbolic but real and Your denial of them do not make them any less real.

This is the way of the Charismatic preaching of 9 out of 10 churches especially in the UK and Europe.  So Sad!

Blade




There is nothing wrong with the word of God in Revelations it's just that you take them and stick them in any old where. You mix up events and the prophecies that relate to them.


Seals, trumpets and bowls do not belong in Daniel's 70th week.


The seal the trumpets and the bowls of wrath belong to the period of time after the church is gone but the church is still here in in Daniel's 70th week or at least the first half of it.


Your failure is in not differentiating between the Great Tribulation and the Wrath of God which are two different things.


And actually your "left behind" nonsense is from the charismatics, as a Calvinist you ought have nothing to do with such a teaching on the basis that God cannot punish sin twice.


As for my being Pentecostalist I have no choice for the Holy Ghost fell on me as He fell on the saints of old. I would that ye all were Pentecostalist.


Pentecostalism is where it is all happening if anything is happening.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2020, 05:49:43 am by Billy Evmur »
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2020, 03:44:31 am »
Pivot in on this while Antichrist is in the world [he has not yet been revealed] the church is still here. In Daniel's 70th week we see him confirming the covenant with many for one week and breaking it in the midst of the week after 3.1/2 years.


When he invades Israel and desecrates the temple in Jerusalem by sitting in it claiming that he is himself God THEN Christ will return to destroy him.


THEN will the church go to meet the returning Lord in the clouds, THEN will Israel "look upon Him whom they have pierced" and be converted.


THEN will our Lord set up His throne and His kingdom in Jerusalem.


THEN will be seals and trumpets and bowls of wrath poured out upon the unrenting wicked .... the rest of mankind will be saved through the Jews.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2020, 09:28:56 am »
Pivot in on this while Antichrist is in the world [he has not yet been revealed] the church is still here. In Daniel's 70th week we see him confirming the covenant with many for one week and breaking it in the midst of the week after 3.1/2 years.


When he invades Israel and desecrates the temple in Jerusalem by sitting in it claiming that he is himself God THEN Christ will return to destroy him.


THEN will the church go to meet the returning Lord in the clouds, THEN will Israel "look upon Him whom they have pierced" and be converted.


THEN will our Lord set up His throne and His kingdom in Jerusalem.


THEN will be seals and trumpets and bowls of wrath poured out upon the unrenting wicked .... the rest of mankind will be saved through the Jews.

your order is wrong according to the Bible. You have set these three judgements in the time of the millennium....Really?

Blade
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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2020, 07:51:06 pm »
Pivot in on this while Antichrist is in the world [he has not yet been revealed] the church is still here. In Daniel's 70th week we see him confirming the covenant with many for one week and breaking it in the midst of the week after 3.1/2 years.


When he invades Israel and desecrates the temple in Jerusalem by sitting in it claiming that he is himself God THEN Christ will return to destroy him.


THEN will the church go to meet the returning Lord in the clouds, THEN will Israel "look upon Him whom they have pierced" and be converted.


THEN will our Lord set up His throne and His kingdom in Jerusalem.


THEN will be seals and trumpets and bowls of wrath poured out upon the unrepenting wicked .... the rest of mankind will be saved through the Jews.

your order is wrong according to the Bible. You have set these three judgements in the time of the millennium....Really?

Blade


The seals, the trumpets and the bowls are God's wrath being poured upon the unrepentant, this cannot happen while the church is here.


It will be in the Millennium that the world will get another chance through the Jews. But those who rebel and refuse to submit to The Lord will meet with immediate death.


The wicked will be driven back to the four corners of the earth ... and there they will be when Satan is loosed once again.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2020, 08:25:53 pm »
My only thought is on your statement "while the church is here."

In my humble opinion the churches that exist now are all broken.  So the church that was spoken of in the Bible no longer exists in any form.

But that just my feeling based on my reading.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2020, 11:30:13 pm »
My only thought is on your statement "while the church is here."

In my humble opinion the churches that exist now are all broken.  So the church that was spoken of in the Bible no longer exists in any form.

But that just my feeling based on my reading.

I think he is speaking of the Church (body of Christ). It is still here until we are removed. 

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2020, 11:43:49 pm »
Okay, I can deal with that.  Thanks Blade for clarification.  I will go back to lurking and learning.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2020, 09:57:04 am »
Okay, I can deal with that.  Thanks Blade for clarification.  I will go back to lurking and learning.

God works and deals with mankind after the manner of covenants and dispensations, any change in His covenant requires a new dispensation, that is to say God's dealings with mankind will change.


Our present dispensation is called the dispensation of GRACE. God has determined to hold back judgement, He has appointed a time when He will judge the living and the dead by Jesus Christ.


Acts of judgement are a rare thing in this time of grace, they are called by theologians "God's peculiar works" events like Ananias and Saphira or Herod who was consumed by worms are rare events. God is giving mankind a chance to repent.


In the parable of the tares and wheat they asked the good man "shall we gather up the tares out of the wheat field?" but he said no lest in plucking up the tares you disturb the wheat, they must grow together until the harvest when God will send the angels to gather tares for burning and the wheat to be stored.


The Millennium is a new age, a new dispensation. We can only guess at the glory of the next age. It will be what we have been preaching all along, an age of righteousness, justice, peace and prosperity for all. These things will no longer be desires and aspirations but reality, the manifestation of the kingdom of heaven on earth.


What we have always prayed for "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Paul says that the creation is to be set FREE from it's bondage to decay, the curse of Adam's sin will be lifted from the earth.


But it begins with the rapture and the destruction of Antichrist and all the armies that come up with him to Jerusalem.


The throne and the kingdom will be set up and the kingdom rolled out from there. All resistance will be punished all power and authority and rule will be put under His feet. So you see coming to pass the dual prophecy of blessing and peace and the rod of iron for those who oppose Him.


They will have no excuse for rebelling against Him.


The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is just that. It is Christ being revealed from heaven at His coming. The church does not figure much in it after the 4th chapter because we will be gone. The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom being rolled out from Jerusalem.   



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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2020, 11:41:45 pm »
Okay, I can deal with that.  Thanks Blade for clarification.  I will go back to lurking and learning.
God works and deals with mankind after the manner of covenants and dispensations, any change in His covenant requires a new dispensation, that is to say God's dealings with mankind will change.

His covenants transverse all dispensations. (i.e. The Rainbow is a covenant to mankind that God would not destroy the earth any more by water). This covenant has gone through How Many  dispensations?? maybe five or more??

Our present dispensation is called the dispensation of GRACE. God has determined to hold back judgement, He has appointed a time when He will judge the living and the dead by Jesus Christ.

Yes, we are in the dispensation of Grace but GOD is not withholding Judgement. In fact, the judgement of Romans 1 which began in the 70 and 80s  reached the third phase around 2018. All His judgements to be (Prophecies) are in His Book and they are being fulfilled to date at 100%. Yes, He has appointed a time when all the remaining Dead (second resurrection) will get judged at the White Throne Judgement.


Acts of judgement are a rare thing in this time of grace, they are called by theologians "God's peculiar works" events like Ananias and Saphira or Herod who was consumed by worms are rare events. God is giving mankind a chance to repent.

Acts of Judgement are not a rare thing...GOD is in Control and has His finger in every disaster, every flood, every tornado, every riot, etc. These are all judgements of Mankind..You reap what you sow...If you do not believe that then ask those people just outside of the city of Portland and Seattle if they agree. These riots will be reaching their neighborhoods in due time. Yes, it is a judgement of God.


In the parable of the tares and wheat they asked the good man "shall we gather up the tares out of the wheat field?" but he said no lest in plucking up the tares you disturb the wheat, they must grow together until the harvest when God will send the angels to gather tares for burning and the wheat to be stored.

Yes, this will be done in Daniel's 70th week. have you not read Revelation 6 through 20..It seems you just ignore all those chapters and throw them out the door.


The Millennium is a new age, a new dispensation. We can only guess at the glory of the next age. It will be what we have been preaching all along, an age of righteousness, justice, peace and prosperity for all. These things will no longer be desires and aspirations but reality, the manifestation of the kingdom of heaven on earth.

The new dispensation will begin when the Harpazo/Rapture happens, the Age of Grace will be over and the age of the "Everlasting Gospel" will begin. It will end in a 1,000 plus years or so.

Yes, that is all the charismatic churches preach..'that GOD will accept everyone' into heaven...????




What we have always prayed for "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Paul says that the creation is to be set FREE from it's bondage to decay, the curse of Adam's sin will be lifted from the earth.

I agree here


But it begins with the rapture and the destruction of Antichrist and all the armies that come up with him to Jerusalem.

So you are a post-Trib Rapture fellow..Where are all the judgements..You tell us in a paragraph two of three down that the Church will be gone in Rev 4...That is not post-Trib Rapture theology, that is Pre-Trib Rapture.

The throne and the kingdom will be set up and the kingdom rolled out from there. All resistance will be punished all power and authority and rule will be put under His feet. So you see coming to pass the dual prophecy of blessing and peace and the rod of iron for those who oppose Him.

They will have no excuse for rebelling against Him.

Here you speaking of the Millennium again...Billy you just going all over the place.

The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is just that. It is Christ being revealed from heaven at His coming. The church does not figure much in it after the 4th chapter because we will be gone. The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom being rolled out from Jerusalem. 

 more to come

"The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom being rolled out from Jerusalem. "

Yes, the rest of the prophecy, Daniel's 70th week relates to the Judgments of God killing over 1/2 of the earth population today. 3-4  billion people will die during this time leaving only a remnant of Gentiles to live in the millennium. 2/3 of Jews will die leaving only a 1/3 remnant of Jews to live during the Millennium.

The church of England and all the other Charismatic theology teaching churches is dragging many DOWN with it. They will be counted as the non-believers.

Billy, Judgment prophecies are being fulfilled regularly. Birth Pangs are getting worse each day until.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2020, 07:14:37 am »
Okay, I can deal with that.  Thanks Blade for clarification.  I will go back to lurking and learning.
God works and deals with mankind after the manner of covenants and dispensations, any change in His covenant requires a new dispensation, that is to say God's dealings with mankind will change.

His covenants transverse all dispensations. (i.e. The Rainbow is a covenant to mankind that God would not destroy the earth any more by water). This covenant has gone through How Many  dispensations?? maybe five or more??

Our present dispensation is called the dispensation of GRACE. God has determined to hold back judgement, He has appointed a time when He will judge the living and the dead by Jesus Christ.

Yes, we are in the dispensation of Grace but GOD is not withholding Judgement. In fact, the judgement of Romans 1 which began in the 70 and 80s  reached the third phase around 2018. All His judgements to be (Prophecies) are in His Book and they are being fulfilled to date at 100%. Yes, He has appointed a time when all the remaining Dead (second resurrection) will get judged at the White Throne Judgement.


Acts of judgement are a rare thing in this time of grace, they are called by theologians "God's peculiar works" events like Ananias and Saphira or Herod who was consumed by worms are rare events. God is giving mankind a chance to repent.

Acts of Judgement are not a rare thing...GOD is in Control and has His finger in every disaster, every flood, every tornado, every riot, etc. These are all judgements of Mankind..You reap what you sow...If you do not believe that then ask those people just outside of the city of Portland and Seattle if they agree. These riots will be reaching their neighborhoods in due time. Yes, it is a judgement of God.


In the parable of the tares and wheat they asked the good man "shall we gather up the tares out of the wheat field?" but he said no lest in plucking up the tares you disturb the wheat, they must grow together until the harvest when God will send the angels to gather tares for burning and the wheat to be stored.

Yes, this will be done in Daniel's 70th week. have you not read Revelation 6 through 20..It seems you just ignore all those chapters and throw them out the door.


The Millennium is a new age, a new dispensation. We can only guess at the glory of the next age. It will be what we have been preaching all along, an age of righteousness, justice, peace and prosperity for all. These things will no longer be desires and aspirations but reality, the manifestation of the kingdom of heaven on earth.

The new dispensation will begin when the Harpazo/Rapture happens, the Age of Grace will be over and the age of the "Everlasting Gospel" will begin. It will end in a 1,000 plus years or so.

Yes, that is all the charismatic churches preach..'that GOD will accept everyone' into heaven... ??? ?




What we have always prayed for "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Paul says that the creation is to be set FREE from it's bondage to decay, the curse of Adam's sin will be lifted from the earth.

I agree here


But it begins with the rapture and the destruction of Antichrist and all the armies that come up with him to Jerusalem.

So you are a post-Trib Rapture fellow..Where are all the judgements..You tell us in a paragraph two of three down that the Church will be gone in Rev 4...That is not post-Trib Rapture theology, that is Pre-Trib Rapture.

The throne and the kingdom will be set up and the kingdom rolled out from there. All resistance will be punished all power and authority and rule will be put under His feet. So you see coming to pass the dual prophecy of blessing and peace and the rod of iron for those who oppose Him.

They will have no excuse for rebelling against Him.

Here you speaking of the Millennium again...Billy you just going all over the place.

The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is just that. It is Christ being revealed from heaven at His coming. The church does not figure much in it after the 4th chapter because we will be gone. The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom being rolled out from Jerusalem. 

 more to come

"The rest of the prophecy relates to the kingdom being rolled out from Jerusalem. "

Yes, the rest of the prophecy, Daniel's 70th week relates to the Judgments of God killing over 1/2 of the earth population today. 3-4  billion people will die during this time leaving only a remnant of Gentiles to live in the millennium. 2/3 of Jews will die leaving only a 1/3 remnant of Jews to live during the Millennium.

The church of England and all the other Charismatic theology teaching churches is dragging many DOWN with it. They will be counted as the non-believers.

Billy, Judgment prophecies are being fulfilled regularly. Birth Pangs are getting worse each day until.

Blade
 
What do I have to do with the church of England? it is YOU who is preaching the charismatic "left behind" doctrine, a bunch of nonsense. A 15 year old girl wrote down what she believed was the Holy Spirit telling her.


I am entirely orthodox, a premillennial, post tribulation rapture. It is what the church has taught down through the centuries.


YOU say before the tribulation of those days, Jesus says after the tribulation of those days
YOU say the church will be removed before Antichrist is revealed, Paul says that day will not come until he has been revealed.


Birth pangs are not the seals, the trumpets or the bowls of wrath. they betoken new life, the new age.


Pentecostalists are not non believers they are believers, they believe the Holy Spirit is the same as He is portrayed in the bible, YOU believe He has changed YOU are the non believer.


MILLIONS are being swept into the kingdom on other continents through the pentecostal movement while the evangelical church in America and Europe languish ... African Pentecostals are coming to England as missionaries.


And let's be honest with one another


The evangelical church in America and Europe would have been dead and buried decades ago if there had not been the Pentecostal revival. Even now if you were take out the various Pentecostal movements from the USA there would be no evangelical voice left. Man they are in the White house advising your President.



At the end of the age Jesus taught, He will send out His angels to gather the wicked out of His kingdom so the day of the Lord begins with the destruction of Antichrist and those who have received his mark. He will rule the nations with a rod of iron, putting down all authority and power. That is how the day of the Lord [which is the 1,000 years] begins.


The Lord will set His throne in Jerusalem and the reign of righteousness and peace will be rolled out from there.
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