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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2018, 07:23:47 pm »
I wish also that you would give consideration to this.


Few NT books were given titles by the authors of them, the titles i.e "The Revelation of St John the divine" was added later.

Suppose in the original the title comprised the opening words of the book, you would have this

The Revelation of John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show unto His servants, things which must shortly come to pass, and He sent and signified it by His Angel unto His servant John.

The whole meaning is thus transformed. And I totally agree the present understanding of those opening words are clumsy and somewhat amiss scripturally.

Now the revelation is not given to Jesus Christ but to John and not given to John by an angel but by the Angel of the Lord, much more fitting NT doctrine.

But it is not a revelation of Jesus Christ it is THE revelation of Jesus Christ. In other words His revelation when He comes on the Lord's day. With the same meaning Paul gives it when he speaks of creation groaning in travail with us for the revelation of the sons of God.

This sews up nicely the meaning of the whole of chapter 1.




Well said, except for one thing, what makes you think his name is not there? His name is Yohanan and the Master himself also says he is Eliyahu, (if anyone will receive it), and therefore he is Yohanan Eliyahu, (in Greek the initials for these two Hebrew names would be Iota and Heta, Ι̅H, (not to be confused with Yah Elohim, Ι̅H)). Chew on that for a while.  ;D

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Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of Jesus Christ  from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ here is close to blasphemy.   I would be very careful!

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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2018, 09:18:08 pm »
Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of Jesus Christ  from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ here is close to blasphemy.   I would be very careful!

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And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be blasphemy? Therefore it is entirely profitable for one to pray for understanding in all things concerning the kingdom of Elohim and the Word, and especially the Nomina Sacra, for the Son has a name that no one without him knows.

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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2018, 11:00:21 pm »
Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of Jesus Christ  from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ here is close to blasphemy.   I would be very careful!

Blade



And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be blasphemy? Therefore it is entirely profitable for one to pray for understanding in all things concerning the kingdom of Elohim and the Word, and especially the Nomina Sacra, for the Son has a name that no one without him knows.

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Who is worshiping John the Baptist? He is not even in Revelation!


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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2018, 10:00:56 am »
Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of Jesus Christ  from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ here is close to blasphemy.   I would be very careful!

Blade



And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be blasphemy? Therefore it is entirely profitable for one to pray for understanding in all things concerning the kingdom of Elohim and the Word, and especially the Nomina Sacra, for the Son has a name that no one without him knows.

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Who is worshiping John the Baptist? He is not even in Revelation!


Blade


Hmmm, I see you do not understand what I said or meant.
Aren't you one of those always using the phrase "rightly divide"?
They both have the same Nomen Sacrum, (Ι̅H).

See also 1Cor 12:3, (and be sure you "rightly divide"). ;D

(PS: English translations will do you no good, in fact, nothing but the oldest Uncial texts with the Nomina Sacra will reveal the "issue" I speak of).

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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2018, 06:31:11 pm »
Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of Jesus Christ  from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ here is close to blasphemy.   I would be very careful!

Blade



And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be blasphemy? Therefore it is entirely profitable for one to pray for understanding in all things concerning the kingdom of Elohim and the Word, and especially the Nomina Sacra, for the Son has a name that no one without him knows.

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Who is worshiping John the Baptist? He is not even in Revelation!


Blade


Hmmm, I see you do not understand what I said or meant.
Aren't you one of those always using the phrase "rightly divide"?
They both have the same Nomen Sacrum, (Ι̅H).

See also 1Cor 12:3, (and be sure you "rightly divide"). ;D

(PS: English translations will do you no good, in fact, nothing but the oldest Uncial texts with the Nomina Sacra will reveal the "issue" I speak of).

.

Oh, I forgot about the authority of the Talmudic Manuscripts.

As I stated, correctly.....hum...... Who is worshiping John the Baptist (And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be blasphemy?)

Your double talk makes no impression here. Simply answer the question. (Who is worshiping John the Baptist?)

Blade



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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2018, 08:57:27 pm »
Oh, I forgot about the authority of the Talmudic Manuscripts.

As I stated, correctly.....hum...... Who is worshiping John the Baptist (And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be blasphemy?)

Your double talk makes no impression here. Simply answer the question. (Who is worshiping John the Baptist?)

Blade


Talmudic Manuscripts? Lol, the Uncial texts are the most ancient GREEK texts in which the New Testament writings were written. Please educate yourself so that you do not make such false accusations and insinuations: or do you enjoy doing such things to those who love the Word?

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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2018, 09:59:21 pm »
Oh, I forgot about the authority of the Talmudic Manuscripts.

As I stated, correctly.....hum...... Who is worshiping John the Baptist (And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be blasphemy?)

Your double talk makes no impression here. Simply answer the question. (Who is worshiping John the Baptist?)

Blade


Talmudic Manuscripts? Lol, the Uncial texts are the most ancient GREEK texts in which the New Testament writings were written. Please educate yourself so that you do not make such false accusations and insinuations: or do you enjoy doing such things to those who love the Word?

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Yes, I must make myself understand what you are trying to say with double talk. "Uncial is a majuscule script " written in Capital letters. around the  5th,6th and 7th centuries (AD). 

I do believe there were earlier copies of the letters and writings of the chapters within the NT that were in Greek. Since it was the normal language used among the three languages in the 1st century AD.

Blade



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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2018, 10:34:23 pm »
Oh, I forgot about the authority of the Talmudic Manuscripts.

As I stated, correctly.....hum...... Who is worshiping John the Baptist (And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be blasphemy?)

Your double talk makes no impression here. Simply answer the question. (Who is worshiping John the Baptist?)

Blade


Talmudic Manuscripts? Lol, the Uncial texts are the most ancient GREEK texts in which the New Testament writings were written. Please educate yourself so that you do not make such false accusations and insinuations: or do you enjoy doing such things to those who love the Word?

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Yes, I must make myself understand what you are trying to say with double talk. "Uncial is a majuscule script " written in Capital letters. around the  5th,6th and 7th centuries (AD). 

I do believe there were earlier copies of the letters and writings of the chapters within the NT that were in Greek. Since it was the normal language used among the three languages in the 1st century AD.

Blade


No, the Uncial texts go back to the very earliest manuscripts.
They in fact are the earliest manuscripts and fragments we have.
Your comments are misleading and disingenuous.

Moreover all of the most ancient Uncial texts contain what are called the Nomina Sacra, (sacred name abbreviations), and none of them contain the full written name of "ιησους", or "Jesus", or "Yeshua", but instead, as I have said, the Nomen Sacrum Ι̅H. Moreover the earliest forms are just as I have written it here but the later forms began to have the case endings added to them by scribes when they also began to add case endings to all the names for grammatical purposes. This may be seen by the fact that in the genealogies we still yet do not find the names written with case endings. For the same reason most English translation will render Iakob in the genealogies as Jacob, (because it has no case endings), but in the rest of the texts they render the same name as James, (Iakobos).

You have a serious problem on your hands with this fact alone: for you must trust that there is someone called "Jesus" in all your English translations when in fact that name is nowhere to be found in any of the most ancient texts except where the authors speak of Joshua: for only that name is spelled out in full form in the New Testament, and it is ιησους throughout the LXX, and therefore also in the places in the New Testament where the name for Joshua is written out in full form, (Acts 7:45, Hebrews 4:8 ).

In short your beloved scholars have made a guess, "Jesus" or "Yeshua" are nothing more than interpretations of the Nomen Sacrum Iota-Heta, (Ι̅H), and you trust them over and above what I have already shown you straight from the most ancient texts. Moreover, as I have already said several times now, Yohanan the Immerser and the Son of Elohim have the same Nomen Sacrum, (Ι̅H).

In this case you do not even know there is a choice or a decision to be made: how therefore can you "rightly divide"? You can only know by the Holy Spirit of the New Covenant and that New Spirit foretold in Ezekiel is the Testimony of the Master; just as the Spirit of the Apocalypse Prophecy, according to the author of the Apocalypse, is the Testimony of the Master. Testimony is Spirit: you cannot know the Master or his name if you do not know the Word because he himself is the Word of the Father.

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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2018, 09:27:05 pm »
Oh, I forgot about the authority of the Talmudic Manuscripts.

As I stated, correctly.....hum...... Who is worshiping John the Baptist (And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be blasphemy?)

Your double talk makes no impression here. Simply answer the question. (Who is worshiping John the Baptist?)

Blade


Talmudic Manuscripts? Lol, the Uncial texts are the most ancient GREEK texts in which the New Testament writings were written. Please educate yourself so that you do not make such false accusations and insinuations: or do you enjoy doing such things to those who love the Word?

.

Yes, I must make myself understand what you are trying to say with double talk. "Uncial is a majuscule script " written in Capital letters. around the  5th,6th and 7th centuries (AD). 

I do believe there were earlier copies of the letters and writings of the chapters within the NT that were in Greek. Since it was the normal language used among the three languages in the 1st century AD.

Blade


No, the Uncial texts go back to the very earliest manuscripts.
They in fact are the earliest manuscripts and fragments we have.
Your comments are misleading and disingenuous.

Moreover all of the most ancient Uncial texts contain what are called the Nomina Sacra, (sacred name abbreviations), and none of them contain the full written name of "ιησους", or "Jesus", or "Yeshua", but instead, as I have said, the Nomen Sacrum Ι̅H. Moreover the earliest forms are just as I have written it here but the later forms began to have the case endings added to them by scribes when they also began to add case endings to all the names for grammatical purposes. This may be seen by the fact that in the genealogies we still yet do not find the names written with case endings. For the same reason most English translation will render Iakob in the genealogies as Jacob, (because it has no case endings), but in the rest of the texts they render the same name as James, (Iakobos).

You have a serious problem on your hands with this fact alone: for you must trust that there is someone called "Jesus" in all your English translations when in fact that name is nowhere to be found in any of the most ancient texts except where the authors speak of Joshua: for only that name is spelled out in full form in the New Testament, and it is ιησους throughout the LXX, and therefore also in the places in the New Testament where the name for Joshua is written out in full form, (Acts 7:45, Hebrews 4:8 ).

In short your beloved scholars have made a guess, "Jesus" or "Yeshua" are nothing more than interpretations of the Nomen Sacrum Iota-Heta, (Ι̅H), and you trust them over and above what I have already shown you straight from the most ancient texts. Moreover, as I have already said several times now, Yohanan the Immerser and the Son of Elohim have the same Nomen Sacrum, (Ι̅H).

In this case you do not even know there is a choice or a decision to be made: how therefore can you "rightly divide"? You can only know by the Holy Spirit of the New Covenant and that New Spirit foretold in Ezekiel is the Testimony of the Master; just as the Spirit of the Apocalypse Prophecy, according to the author of the Apocalypse, is the Testimony of the Master. Testimony is Spirit: you cannot know the Master or his name if you do not know the Word because he himself is the Word of the Father.

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You said"No, the Uncial texts go back to the very earliest manuscripts."

Would you please gives some references for that last statement. All of My sources state the Uncial texts are from 4 thru the 8th centuries. They may have used the New Testament manuscripts  (some 5500 of them) as the Textus Receptus did.

Blade



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Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2019, 04:16:45 am »
I get really tired of all the false prophets.

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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2019, 11:05:35 am »
I get really tired of all the false prophets.
Same here

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