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Who was the first reformer?
« on: February 22, 2020, 01:39:00 am »
In a brief coffee and donuts discussion, I was asked who I thought the first reformer in the Christian religion was.  Now we all in this little group like to consider ourselves Theologians of some level as we all have various degrees saying as such.  We also all have varied opinions on almost everything that comes up in discussion.  This question was no exception.

Feeling pretty proud of myself in my thinking my initial response was Thomas Aquinas from a purely theological point of viewing it.   However, as the discussion moved into another cup of coffee and the owner bringing us all a free cinnamon roll we better defined how to apply the term reformer. 

My final Answer was Jesus was the first reformer.  The religion does not exist without Jesus's attempts to reform the Jewish religion into something better than it was.  Instead of her reformed a people not a religion.   It seems to be the first and best of the reforms.

Let me hear some thoughts on this.  Agree,, disagree add to or take away.

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Re: Who was the first reformer?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2020, 08:15:43 am »
What about John the Baptist? Interesting question.

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2020, 05:40:03 pm »
I thought of John the Baptist also.  My reason was his impact of reforming was not enduring like Jesus, but his impact on Jesus was.  So was he the first reformer because of his indirect impact or is his reforming status secondary to his influence on Jesus?
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2020, 06:58:29 pm »
I thought of John the Baptist also.  My reason was his impact of reforming was not enduring like Jesus, but his impact on Jesus was.  So was he the first reformer because of his indirect impact or is his reforming status secondary to his influence on Jesus?
I think Jesus wins first place but we should also consider Paul and more specifically the Risen and Ascended Lord Jesus Christ, or God if you will. In reality the GRACE we are under now and the free gift of salvation through Christ alone is the New Testament because the Twelve and Jesus himself were preaching and teaching the Kingdom, the Law and the Torah.

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2020, 07:17:38 pm »
I thought of John the Baptist also.  My reason was his impact of reforming was not enduring like Jesus, but his impact on Jesus was.  So was he the first reformer because of his indirect impact or is his reforming status secondary to his influence on Jesus?
I think Jesus wins first place but we should also consider Paul and more specifically the Risen and Ascended Lord Jesus Christ, or God if you will. In reality the GRACE we are under now and the free gift of salvation through Christ alone is the New Testament because the Twelve and Jesus himself were preaching and teaching the Kingdom, the Law and the Torah.

Why would Jesus be the first reformer...He is the original author.

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2020, 07:56:32 pm »
It was meant to be a discussion and study in purely academic, historical perspective Bladerunner.  I understand what you are saying.  I did not want to get into the normal disagreement over that aspect though. 

I may not have worded it as precisely as I should have but I felt that it was fairly clear the  type of discussion I was hoping for.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2020, 10:59:37 pm »
It was meant to be a discussion and study in purely academic, historical perspective Bladerunner.  I understand what you are saying.  I did not want to get into the normal disagreement over that aspect though. 

I may not have worded it as precisely as I should have but I felt that it was fairly clear the  type of discussion I was hoping for.

OK, My bad.

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