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Quote from: Bladerunner on February 10, 2019, 10:10:42 pm

Quote from: Arius on February 10, 2019, 09:37:58 pm

Quote from: Seve on February 02, 2019, 06:15:19 am

The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless

Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with God. Big difference!

Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and his God, because?

John 5:          The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God? Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


Blade

Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found, I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more then one mentioned in the Bible is

Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” (singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we are many.” (plural)

I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the Christian Religion that has done that!

Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding (please forgive me for saying this) bull ****, hoping to mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".



That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from every Christian Forum for doing it.

May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.

2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.

In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with substance, not blind faith.

Arius