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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2019, 07:35:32 pm »
Dear Readers,

YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been revealed to anyone at this time.

In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically. 

IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ... simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has been revealed to anyone at this time...

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.

Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world... made flesh...  and became known as Jesus Christ...  and die for us to save us from our sins.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.
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God bless

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2019, 08:28:46 pm »

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

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Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless
Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2019, 11:27:51 pm »

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

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Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless

I agree with you on the "spirit", "Unseen", "invisable", etc.   The Bible does tell us that God is a spirit. Yet, there are hints that GOD really does have form of some sort. For a God was speaking to Moses on Mt. Sinai, He tells him the following:

Exodus 33:20.. "You cannot see my face; for no man shall see me, and live v21..And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: v.22..And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: v23..And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."

Here we see all parts of GOD by His WORD. face, hand, back parts.........

In addition, John tells us in Rev. 5.1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."

Gen 32:25..."So Jacob called the place Peniel,[fn] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.

Acts 7:55..."But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Compare the above verse "the glory of GOD"  to Exodus 33.20.."while my glory passeth by"....Could they be the same???????

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In the following passage, we see Moses tell the people of Israel, the reason why GOD does not show His face?

as we see in Deu 4:14-20.."And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might observe them in the land which you cross over to possess. "Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, "lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female, "the likeness of any animal that is on the earth or the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, "the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground or the likeness of any fish that is in the water beneath the earth. "And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them, which the Lord your God has given to all the peoples under the whole heaven as a heritage. "But the Lord has taken you and brought you out of the iron furnace, out of Egypt, to be his people, an inheritance, as you are this day "


God in His infinite power and understanding/reasoning far beyond our ability to do so, has declined to show us His Face. Yet, As 'Jesus is GOD' we find that in :

1 John 3:2...."Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

As John did in REV 5, one day, the Church (Body/Bride) of Christ and those that have died believing in Jesus Christ will see GOD in all His Glory.

The hintsI have shown are just that. Hints......Spirit Yes, with Hints of a Body no one has seen.

From the bible Verses all-in-all, we cannot know for  sure what kind of body GOD really does have.


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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2019, 12:31:52 am »
Dear Blade,

The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you have seen the Father.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy Spirit  - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was full of Holy Spirit....  simply because...

John 1:18  No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God bless
Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2019, 10:04:00 am »
Dear Blade,

The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you have seen the Father.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy Spirit  - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was full of Holy Spirit....  simply because...

John 1:18  No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God bless

of course it is you choice. I prefer to believe the Bible as it is written.

We have our opinions on the subject out there  for others  to read and make their choice.

Have a good day sir.

Blade
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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2019, 01:15:54 pm »
Dear Arius,

Let me rephrase the SIMPLE question for you, my friend... It needs a simple answer!!!

Do you consider our Lord YHWH, known as the great "I AM" of the OT, as God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?

Thanks

Yes, of course.
God, Infinite and Eternal "I Am" beget His son Word, through whom He created all things (John 1:1 - ) and later His son Word became flesh, was named Jesus and dwelt amongst us.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2019, 02:08:53 pm »
Dear Blade,

The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you have seen the Father.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy Spirit  - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was full of Holy Spirit....  simply because...

John 1:18  No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God bless

Brother Seve, I mean you got it perfect, except that the begotten son Word being God, .. or one of the gods that make up God as the Trinity has him, neither which you can justify from Scripture.

There is only One God, the Infinite and Eternal conscious Mind/Spirit whom no one has seen, nor can see, except for His presence, which is like the sun, but much, much brighter.

When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he was as the Fiery Angel of the Lord before Moses, only more personal, for he is Gods only begotten, the first of All Gods creations. That is why he is called the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, because he is 'just that'. But God is Infinite and Eternal, which has no beginning nor end.
Then when the son fulfilled his task, God raised him above all principalities and powers, above all Angels, where now the son Word is only second to God Himself, .. just as Joseph was second only to Pharaoh.

So you and I understand it the same, only you confuse Gods son with God. Yes, he is a perfect representation of God where if you see/hear him, it is as God speaking. Remember; Joseph and Pharaoh was a reflection of the son Word later Jesus, and God, but Joseph never claimed to be Pharaoh, just as neither as the son Word, or as Jesus did he ever claim to be God.

In the OT, both God, and the son Word show up at times, like in the Fiery Angel of the Lord, it was definitely God Infinite and Eternal, but in Daniel 3 with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, we see it was the son Word aka Jesus Christ:

Daniel 3:24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?”
They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”
25 “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the son of God.”


God bless you


Arius
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2019, 06:20:11 pm »
Dear Blade,

The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you have seen the Father.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy Spirit  - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was full of Holy Spirit....  simply because...

John 1:18  No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God bless

Brother Seve, I mean you got it perfect, except that the begotten son Word being God, .. or one of the gods that make up God as the Trinity has him, neither which you can justify from Scripture.

There is only One God, the Infinite and Eternal conscious Mind/Spirit whom no one has seen, nor can see, except for His presence, which is like the sun, but much, much brighter.

When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he was as the Fiery Angel of the Lord before Moses, only more personal, for he is Gods only begotten, the first of All Gods creations. That is why he is called the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, because he is 'just that'. But God is Infinite and Eternal, which has no beginning nor end.
Then when the son fulfilled his task, God raised him above all principalities and powers, above all Angels, where now the son Word is only second to God Himself, .. just as Joseph was second only to Pharaoh.

So you and I understand it the same, only you confuse Gods son with God. Yes, he is a perfect representation of God where if you see/hear him, it is as God speaking. Remember; Joseph and Pharaoh was a reflection of the son Word later Jesus, and God, but Joseph never claimed to be Pharaoh, just as neither as the son Word, or as Jesus did he ever claim to be God.

In the OT, both God, and the son Word show up at times, like in the Fiery Angel of the Lord, it was definitely God Infinite and Eternal, but in Daniel 3 with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, we see it was the son Word aka Jesus Christ:

Daniel 3:24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?”
They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”
25 “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the son of God.”


God bless you


Arius

ARius, you said:"When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he was as the Fiery Angel of the Lord before Moses, only more personal, for he is Gods only begotten, the first of All Gods creations."


1 Tim 3:16..."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Here we see that GOD himself was manifest in the FLESH, and they called Him Jesus.... The angel of the Lord in Luke 2:11 told Joseph and Mary..

"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Then as the complete birth of Jesus Christ is written by DR. Luke in the 2 chapter verse 13...

"And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,------>

Then in Luke 2:14.."Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."

We here the angel of the Lord and a heavenly multitude of Heavenly host called the baby Jesus, Glory to GOD in the Highest.

Arius, like Seve, you have a choice to believe or NOT!.......The Choice of course is that you believe the Bible is the Complete WORD of GOD or NOT!

I have given you what I believe to be the WORD of GOD.

Your Choice.

Blade



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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2019, 08:23:01 pm »

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

Blade



Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless

This response is also to brothers @patrick jane, @Bladerunner and the rest reading these posts.

Beautifully said brother @Seve, right from Scriptures too. Let's take this another step, .. please consider what I say here next, because I feel that it is both scientifically, and Biblically logical:

We both agree that God is Spirit, and that no one has, nor can see God, just as you pointed it out from Scripture above, .. right? The same way as you cannot see my mind, or me yours, which is of God, and belongs to God. This spirit/breath of God in this physical body is what distinguishes us from God, .. makes us "individuals" with free will.

 Now consider this:

In the beginning of man, God said to His son Word: "Let us make man in our own image", correct?
Now look at us man the image. First, there is the created body/temple that God made out of the dust, .. "CREATED image" emphasis on 'created', just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God", but the Spirit in him remains pure, so the son Word kept the "image" of His Creator and Father, unlike Adam.

1 Corinthians 3:16  (NKJV)
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
   This includes all men, not just those who have received the Holy Spirit which is a whole other story that has to do with 'salvation'.
Then God (not the son Word), but God breathed/placed a bit of Himself into that body/temple;

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

This "breath of life" is not the air, but is none other than our 'mind/spirit'. It is "of God" and is God, and returns to God who gave it.

What we call reality, is not really real, instead, it is our mind/spirit that is real. This is why what we call; "physical reality" has to be transformed into electronic signals through our physical senses (eyes, feel, hearing etc.) and sent to different parts of the brain, where we/mind read it.

This is also why Satan created this Evolution story, to discredit, or downplay who we really are by claiming that; "the mind is nothing but the result of the brain", making the not-real (the created) as if it was the only thing that existed, to hide both who we really are, along with God our Infinite Creator.

Now please consider these verses carefully:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
.. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
- exactly how I see it and explained it above, which is both Biblically and scientifically true, which is that what we see are not what we think they are.

Let's do a scientific test to prove this; Like I said; when we look at a car, or feel the metal of the car, or listen to the engine, this is all turned into electronic signals by the neurons in our fingertips, our eyes, our ears, and sent to our brain. It is these signals in the brain that we interpret with our mind/spirit, so everything about the car are just signals which we interpret with our mind/spirit.

So look, if the world around us exist only by signals, then the reverse, or in this case the car itself must be made of some signals, or vibrations that our senses pick up, right? So is this what the Lord is telling us that; everything in the world were framed by the WORD of God, because obviously the things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

We don't put pieces of metal in our brain when we touch the metal of the car, nor do we put pieces of fabric under our skin to feel the car seats! Our body "digitizes" everything, through the neurons then sends it to our brain, and we "spirit/mind" read it, then respond by sending electronic information into our brain, which travel into, and excites the muscles where we mind/spirit make the body do our biding.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, where we can start to see/understand Gods creation as something far more wonderful and miraculous then one could imagine! Just the possibility of Infinite and Eternal creating something finite is mind boggling itself!

God bless.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2019, 09:17:37 pm »

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

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Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless

This response is also to brothers @patrick jane, @Bladerunner and the rest reading these posts.

Beautifully said brother @Seve, right from Scriptures too. Let's take this another step, .. please consider what I say here next, because I feel that it is both scientifically, and Biblically logical:

We both agree that God is Spirit, and that no one has, nor can see God, just as you pointed it out from Scripture above, .. right? The same way as you cannot see my mind, or me yours, which is of God, and belongs to God. This spirit/breath of God in this physical body is what distinguishes us from God, .. makes us "individuals" with free will.

 Now consider this:

In the beginning of man, God said to His son Word: "Let us make man in our own image", correct?
Now look at us man the image. First, there is the created body/temple that God made out of the dust, .. "CREATED image" emphasis on 'created', just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God", but the Spirit in him remains pure, so the son Word kept the "image" of His Creator and Father, unlike Adam.

1 Corinthians 3:16  (NKJV)
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
   This includes all men, not just those who have received the Holy Spirit which is a whole other story that has to do with 'salvation'.
Then God (not the son Word), but God breathed/placed a bit of Himself into that body/temple;

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

This "breath of life" is not the air, but is none other than our 'mind/spirit'. It is "of God" and is God, and returns to God who gave it.

What we call reality, is not really real, instead, it is our mind/spirit that is real. This is why what we call; "physical reality" has to be transformed into electronic signals through our physical senses (eyes, feel, hearing etc.) and sent to different parts of the brain, where we/mind read it.

This is also why Satan created this Evolution story, to discredit, or downplay who we really are by claiming that; "the mind is nothing but the result of the brain", making the not-real (the created) as if it was the only thing that existed, to hide both who we really are, along with God our Infinite Creator.

Now please consider these verses carefully:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
.. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
- exactly how I see it and explained it above, which is both Biblically and scientifically true, which is that what we see are not what we think they are.

Let's do a scientific test to prove this; Like I said; when we look at a car, or feel the metal of the car, or listen to the engine, this is all turned into electronic signals by the neurons in our fingertips, our eyes, our ears, and sent to our brain. It is these signals in the brain that we interpret with our mind/spirit, so everything about the car are just signals which we interpret with our mind/spirit.

So look, if the world around us exist only by signals, then the reverse, or in this case the car itself must be made of some signals, or vibrations that our senses pick up, right? So is this what the Lord is telling us that; everything in the world were framed by the WORD of God, because obviously the things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

We don't put pieces of metal in our brain when we touch the metal of the car, nor do we put pieces of fabric under our skin to feel the car seats! Our body "digitizes" everything, through the neurons then sends it to our brain, and we "spirit/mind" read it, then respond by sending electronic information into our brain, which travel into, and excites the muscles where we mind/spirit make the body do our biding.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, where we can start to see/understand Gods creation as something far more wonderful and miraculous then one could imagine! Just the possibility of Infinite and Eternal creating something finite is mind boggling itself!

God bless.

You said: " God said to His son Word: "or "just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God""

Are you saying GOD's son in named WORD???????........REALLY!!!!!

Blade
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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2019, 11:06:19 pm »
Dear Readers,

YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been revealed to anyone at this time.

In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically. 

IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ... simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has been revealed to anyone at this time...

I agree partially with this, but God revealed Himself "bodily" in many other instances too. Please reconsider this next part:

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.

Heaven is Not an invisible realm, it was created along with the earth, and there is a lot of visible info of Heaven. Only God is invisible, who manifests Himself through many different created forms, but He Himself has no "form", and we have to stay away from applying one to Him.

Wen God said: "let there be light" was Not "In the beginning" when God created the Heaven and the earth, .. as in Genesis 1:1. That Genesis 1:1 actually follows John 1:1 -. Please look:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. - KJV (have to find the right version that fits with the rest of Scripture) God originally created the Heaven (singular, before the air/atmosphere heaven where the birds fly, and the starry heaven where he put the stars ) and the earth (singular), not a bunch of planets.

We Stop here - from what we read, it is obvious that a lot has happened between here Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

as we read the rest of mans creation story, and earths renovation, none of what God creates is "formless, or empty, or covered in darkness, but everything is 'good'. Because like it says here in the next verse;

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

 .. God distinguishes light from darkness; that which is is chaotic, formless and separates it from His "order", which He calls "light"! He even calls darkness "night", and order "day". We know this continues on till that Last Day when God does a complete clean up and will FOREVER separate not just chaos, confusion and darkness, but those who caused it, and will cast them, and their works into an incinerator of everlasting fire.

The son of God is Not God, please don't make him to be one, this is what the Romans did after they killed Jesus, made him into one of their gods, and we see this today how they still worship their sun-god who the Pope announced is none other than Lucifer!

But I believe I know where you're getting all this from, and I was there too! Like you say here next, but please Brother, listen to another, more proper interpretation, which I believe will make a lot more sense to you!? If you can show me where I am wrong, please do so, I welcome correction, and would never deny my under-education, nor how God revealed things to me. So it's not me, but what we understand of Gods Word, right?

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Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world... made flesh...  and became known as Jesus Christ...  and die for us to save us from our sins.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.[/size]

God bless

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

You got God down as it is written which is exactly how I understand it also, and the idea that the son Word is the embodiment of God is also tru, but here is the problem, or how this train of thought can lead us into the very same error that the Trinitarians have fallen into.
There is two trains of thought, one is that Christians think the Trinity explains God, and the other is the actual Creators of the Trinity who actually concocted this Doctrine with an evil plan, which was to "kill God", at least in the hearts and minds of men. Once they made people to accept that Jesus was God in the flesh, then they were able to kill God, and this was the plan, and is what Christians actually believe as I did for most of my life.

God's not dead is because He never died, not because His other self resurrected Him.

Yes, God wants us to know Him personally, and we can see how He took Angels, Prophets, the wind, thunder and even a physical body to wrestle with Jacob to try get personal with us, especially having His son Word so obedient to Him, God was able to relay a true-image of Himself through His son Word when the son became flesh.

We could actually say "we seen God" in Christ, and that is what Jesus said also: "You seen me, you've seen the Father"! But he Did Not say "I am God the father, so what do you mean show us the Father?" You see the difference?

Besides that, the son Word had a heavenly, a more Spiritual body before he came to earth, .. and Heaven is a real place, not just Spirit-place, but more spiritual, or more Heavenly. It has streets of gold, it has many mansions, .. Angelic beings, even Principalities and Powers are created individuals, as is the Holy Spirit. He was sent by Christ to help us, he is a being with free will.

I see the Holy Spirit as a "search engine" in our computers. He is there analyzing the world when the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. It was the Spirit of God who moved upon the face of the waters checking out this catastrophe.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

So anyways, the important thing is that God is who He Is, the Only Infinite and Eternal conscious Spirit/Mind "I Am", who can and has used many different physical forms throughout the ages to reveal Himself through, and in the Last days, like 2,000 years ago He revealed himself "through His son Word", who became flesh, giving up his spiritual, that more Heavenly body and has become completely flesh by being born of a physical human woman.

God didn't become flesh, His son Word did. So we are warned not to try to make a physical image of God, because that would be idolatry, right? But it pleased God to see His son Word represent Him, especially being all mortal and vulnerable to all the physical temptations, in a corrupt and evil world like what our world has become, .. and remain in his Fathers True Image.

God remains the invisible Eternal/Infinite/Spirit/Mind "I Am", and His hope is that we too would reveal God through us, just as His son Word aka Jesus did. So when people talk to us, and watch our actions, they would see God.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2019, 06:30:16 pm »
Dear Readers,

YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been revealed to anyone at this time.

In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically. 

IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ... simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has been revealed to anyone at this time...

I agree partially with this, but God revealed Himself "bodily" in many other instances too. Please reconsider this next part:

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.

Heaven is Not an invisible realm, it was created along with the earth, and there is a lot of visible info of Heaven. Only God is invisible, who manifests Himself through many different created forms, but He Himself has no "form", and we have to stay away from applying one to Him.

Wen God said: "let there be light" was Not "In the beginning" when God created the Heaven and the earth, .. as in Genesis 1:1. That Genesis 1:1 actually follows John 1:1 -. Please look:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. - KJV (have to find the right version that fits with the rest of Scripture) God originally created the Heaven (singular, before the air/atmosphere heaven where the birds fly, and the starry heaven where he put the stars ) and the earth (singular), not a bunch of planets.

We Stop here - from what we read, it is obvious that a lot has happened between here Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

as we read the rest of mans creation story, and earths renovation, none of what God creates is "formless, or empty, or covered in darkness, but everything is 'good'. Because like it says here in the next verse;

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

 .. God distinguishes light from darkness; that which is is chaotic, formless and separates it from His "order", which He calls "light"! He even calls darkness "night", and order "day". We know this continues on till that Last Day when God does a complete clean up and will FOREVER separate not just chaos, confusion and darkness, but those who caused it, and will cast them, and their works into an incinerator of everlasting fire.

The son of God is Not God, please don't make him to be one, this is what the Romans did after they killed Jesus, made him into one of their gods, and we see this today how they still worship their sun-god who the Pope announced is none other than Lucifer!

But I believe I know where you're getting all this from, and I was there too! Like you say here next, but please Brother, listen to another, more proper interpretation, which I believe will make a lot more sense to you!? If you can show me where I am wrong, please do so, I welcome correction, and would never deny my under-education, nor how God revealed things to me. So it's not me, but what we understand of Gods Word, right?

Quote
Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world... made flesh...  and became known as Jesus Christ...  and die for us to save us from our sins.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.[/size]

God bless

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

You got God down as it is written which is exactly how I understand it also, and the idea that the son Word is the embodiment of God is also tru, but here is the problem, or how this train of thought can lead us into the very same error that the Trinitarians have fallen into.
There is two trains of thought, one is that Christians think the Trinity explains God, and the other is the actual Creators of the Trinity who actually concocted this Doctrine with an evil plan, which was to "kill God", at least in the hearts and minds of men. Once they made people to accept that Jesus was God in the flesh, then they were able to kill God, and this was the plan, and is what Christians actually believe as I did for most of my life.

God's not dead is because He never died, not because His other self resurrected Him.

Yes, God wants us to know Him personally, and we can see how He took Angels, Prophets, the wind, thunder and even a physical body to wrestle with Jacob to try get personal with us, especially having His son Word so obedient to Him, God was able to relay a true-image of Himself through His son Word when the son became flesh.

We could actually say "we seen God" in Christ, and that is what Jesus said also: "You seen me, you've seen the Father"! But he Did Not say "I am God the father, so what do you mean show us the Father?" You see the difference?

Besides that, the son Word had a heavenly, a more Spiritual body before he came to earth, .. and Heaven is a real place, not just Spirit-place, but more spiritual, or more Heavenly. It has streets of gold, it has many mansions, .. Angelic beings, even Principalities and Powers are created individuals, as is the Holy Spirit. He was sent by Christ to help us, he is a being with free will.

I see the Holy Spirit as a "search engine" in our computers. He is there analyzing the world when the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. It was the Spirit of God who moved upon the face of the waters checking out this catastrophe.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

So anyways, the important thing is that God is who He Is, the Only Infinite and Eternal conscious Spirit/Mind "I Am", who can and has used many different physical forms throughout the ages to reveal Himself through, and in the Last days, like 2,000 years ago He revealed himself "through His son Word", who became flesh, giving up his spiritual, that more Heavenly body and has become completely flesh by being born of a physical human woman.

God didn't become flesh, His son Word did. So we are warned not to try to make a physical image of God, because that would be idolatry, right? But it pleased God to see His son Word represent Him, especially being all mortal and vulnerable to all the physical temptations, in a corrupt and evil world like what our world has become, .. and remain in his Fathers True Image.

God remains the invisible Eternal/Infinite/Spirit/Mind "I Am", and His hope is that we too would reveal God through us, just as His son Word aka Jesus did. So when people talk to us, and watch our actions, they would see God.

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

Blade


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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2019, 11:10:06 pm »

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

Blade



Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless

This response is also to brothers @patrick jane, @Bladerunner and the rest reading these posts.

Beautifully said brother @Seve, right from Scriptures too. Let's take this another step, .. please consider what I say here next, because I feel that it is both scientifically, and Biblically logical:

We both agree that God is Spirit, and that no one has, nor can see God, just as you pointed it out from Scripture above, .. right? The same way as you cannot see my mind, or me yours, which is of God, and belongs to God. This spirit/breath of God in this physical body is what distinguishes us from God, .. makes us "individuals" with free will.

 Now consider this:

In the beginning of man, God said to His son Word: "Let us make man in our own image", correct?
Now look at us man the image. First, there is the created body/temple that God made out of the dust, .. "CREATED image" emphasis on 'created', just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God", but the Spirit in him remains pure, so the son Word kept the "image" of His Creator and Father, unlike Adam.

1 Corinthians 3:16  (NKJV)
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
   This includes all men, not just those who have received the Holy Spirit which is a whole other story that has to do with 'salvation'.
Then God (not the son Word), but God breathed/placed a bit of Himself into that body/temple;

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

This "breath of life" is not the air, but is none other than our 'mind/spirit'. It is "of God" and is God, and returns to God who gave it.

What we call reality, is not really real, instead, it is our mind/spirit that is real. This is why what we call; "physical reality" has to be transformed into electronic signals through our physical senses (eyes, feel, hearing etc.) and sent to different parts of the brain, where we/mind read it.

This is also why Satan created this Evolution story, to discredit, or downplay who we really are by claiming that; "the mind is nothing but the result of the brain", making the not-real (the created) as if it was the only thing that existed, to hide both who we really are, along with God our Infinite Creator.

Now please consider these verses carefully:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
.. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
- exactly how I see it and explained it above, which is both Biblically and scientifically true, which is that what we see are not what we think they are.

Let's do a scientific test to prove this; Like I said; when we look at a car, or feel the metal of the car, or listen to the engine, this is all turned into electronic signals by the neurons in our fingertips, our eyes, our ears, and sent to our brain. It is these signals in the brain that we interpret with our mind/spirit, so everything about the car are just signals which we interpret with our mind/spirit.

So look, if the world around us exist only by signals, then the reverse, or in this case the car itself must be made of some signals, or vibrations that our senses pick up, right? So is this what the Lord is telling us that; everything in the world were framed by the WORD of God, because obviously the things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

We don't put pieces of metal in our brain when we touch the metal of the car, nor do we put pieces of fabric under our skin to feel the car seats! Our body "digitizes" everything, through the neurons then sends it to our brain, and we "spirit/mind" read it, then respond by sending electronic information into our brain, which travel into, and excites the muscles where we mind/spirit make the body do our biding.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, where we can start to see/understand Gods creation as something far more wonderful and miraculous then one could imagine! Just the possibility of Infinite and Eternal creating something finite is mind boggling itself!

God bless.

You said: " God said to His son Word: "or "just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God""

Are you saying GOD's son in named WORD???????........REALLY!!!!!

Blade

Of course my friend, who do you think came down to earth; Infinite and Eternal Himself, .. and died!?
But Gods son Word did come down, turned into DNA code and was implanted in the unfertilized egg of a virgin, and was born in the flesh. The Word was not in Heaven for 30 some years but was here on earth in the flesh, going through everything we go through and was tempted in every way we are.

God cannot die, nor can God/Infinite be tempted, nor does He have a beginning or an end. The son Word does.

John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
.. 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


The son of God Word became flesh, and was named Jesus, .. he is not God the Father, or the Christian sun-god, .. Really!

Arius
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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