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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2019, 09:37:58 pm »
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless



Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with God. Big difference!

Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and his God, because?

John 5:          The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God? Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2019, 10:10:42 pm »
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless



Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with God. Big difference!

Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and his God, because?

John 5:          The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God? Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2019, 07:19:06 pm »
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless



Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with God. Big difference!

Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and his God, because?

John 5:          The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God? Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


Blade


Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found, I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more then one mentioned in the Bible is

Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
(singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we are many.” (plural)

I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the Christian Religion that has done that!

Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding (please forgive me for saying this) bull shit, hoping to mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s

That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from every Christian Forum for doing it.

May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.

2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.


In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with substance, not blind faith.

Arius
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2019, 08:10:10 pm »
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless



Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with God. Big difference!

Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and his God, because?

John 5:          The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God? Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


Blade


Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found, I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more then one mentioned in the Bible is

Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
(singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we are many.” (plural)

I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the Christian Religion that has done that!

Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding (please forgive me for saying this) bull shit, hoping to mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s

That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from every Christian Forum for doing it.

May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.

2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.


In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with substance, not blind faith.

Arius


Arius, all of the scripture you mentioned was part of the Law God gave Moses for the Israeli people. We at this time are no longer under the LAW but rather the Grace of Jesus Christ.

Did you listen to the POPE about the failure at the cross? I guess you believed him?
NO...then If he does not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ why are you following him (the pope)?

Jesus gave us the laws to follow in the books that Paul wrote.

Hope you change your mind.

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2019, 08:26:59 pm »


do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


Blade

[/quote]

Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found, I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more then one mentioned in the Bible is

Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
(singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we are many.” (plural)

I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the Christian Religion that has done that!

Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding (please forgive me for saying this) bull shit, hoping to mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s

That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from every Christian Forum for doing it.

May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.

2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.


In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with substance, not blind faith.

Arius
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Arius, all of the scripture you mentioned was part of the Law God gave Moses for the Israeli people. We at this time are no longer under the LAW but rather the Grace of Jesus Christ.

Did you listen to the POPE about the failure at the cross? I guess you believed him?
NO...then If he does not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ why are you following him (the pope)?

Jesus gave us the laws to follow in the books that Paul wrote.

Hope you change your mind.

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[/quote]That pope video was doctored at the end with applause etc. He did say that but he tried to explain it right after he said it at the time. The video is deceptive.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2019, 09:44:00 pm »


do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


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Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found, I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more then one mentioned in the Bible is

Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
(singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we are many.” (plural)

I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the Christian Religion that has done that!

Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding (please forgive me for saying this) bull shit, hoping to mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s

That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from every Christian Forum for doing it.

May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.

2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.


In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with substance, not blind faith.

Arius
[/quote]


Arius, all of the scripture you mentioned was part of the Law God gave Moses for the Israeli people. We at this time are no longer under the LAW but rather the Grace of Jesus Christ.

Did you listen to the POPE about the failure at the cross? I guess you believed him?
NO...then If he does not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ why are you following him (the pope)?

Jesus gave us the laws to follow in the books that Paul wrote.

Hope you change your mind.

Blade

[/quote]That pope video was doctored at the end with applause etc. He did say that but he tried to explain it right after he said it at the time. The video is deceptive.
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Thank you PJ....You never know these days.

DID you hear that Arius.....the pope video was doctored. findings by PJ.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2019, 03:09:30 am »
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless
Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless

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Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Dear Arius

Sorry, but I am using the Original Old King James Version of the Bible - word for word - from Hebrew to English - UNLIKE your bible rendition of NIV - I believe to be adulterated version already.

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.

That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

Dear Arius,

Your disagreement to my version of Biblical Trinity Stand... is only based on your poor and distorted understanding of the Mystical Union of God as One (collective One, that is) that I have previously posted…  and also  your allege refutation is based only on your own Standard Trinity doctrinal defensive argument which differ with mine obviously. TRY AGAIN?

By the way.... Do you know the meaning and the usage of the Hebrew word "ECHAD" as Collective One?

IN FACT, the Scripture also document us that the Son came forth or proceeded forth - begotten - directly from the Father, in the beginning; from everlasting.

Therefore, how can you NOT see that the Father and the Son have THE SAME ESSENCE.... when you already agree that Adam and Eve became one flesh AFTER their Union of MARRIAGE.... because Eve came from Adam's rib, correct?

Read and learn:

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Even the Spirit of Truth came forth from the Father.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Again, read my post below repeatedly and let me know if you still don’t understand or disagree with it.


Dear Arius,

Here's how you can also reconcile the bringing forth (begotten) of the Son of God (YHWH) into our physical worlds from the beginning; from everlasting - coming from the Same Spiritual Essence and attributes of His God Father.... 

He became known as the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. ....... For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily - Col 2:9. ..... Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:9


Note: I am going to cite 3 different Scriptures as my Biblical Proof Texts that are in harmony together -  acting as my witnesses:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Prov. 8:22

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:2

The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Prov 8:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

When there were no depths, I was brought forth (begotten); when there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.Gen.1:4

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Prov 8:25

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:5


Amen?

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Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2019, 03:00:08 pm »
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless
Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless

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Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Dear Arius

Sorry, but I am using the Original Old King James Version of the Bible - word for word - from Hebrew to English - UNLIKE your bible rendition of NIV - I believe to be adulterated version already.

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.

That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

Dear Arius,

Your disagreement to my version of Biblical Trinity Stand... is only based on your poor and distorted understanding of the Mystical Union of God as One (collective One, that is) that I have previously posted…  and also  your allege refutation is based only on your own Standard Trinity doctrinal defensive argument which differ with mine obviously. TRY AGAIN?

By the way.... Do you know the meaning and the usage of the Hebrew word "ECHAD" as Collective One?

IN FACT, the Scripture also document us that the Son came forth or proceeded forth - begotten - directly from the Father, in the beginning; from everlasting.

Therefore, how can you NOT see that the Father and the Son have THE SAME ESSENCE.... when you already agree that Adam and Eve became one flesh AFTER their Union of MARRIAGE.... because Eve came from Adam's rib, correct?

Read and learn:

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Even the Spirit of Truth came forth from the Father.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Again, read my post below repeatedly and let me know if you still don’t understand or disagree with it.


Dear Arius,

Here's how you can also reconcile the bringing forth (begotten) of the Son of God (YHWH) into our physical worlds from the beginning; from everlasting - coming from the Same Spiritual Essence and attributes of His God Father.... 

He became known as the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. ....... For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily - Col 2:9. ..... Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:9


Note: I am going to cite 3 different Scriptures as my Biblical Proof Texts that are in harmony together -  acting as my witnesses:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Prov. 8:22

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:2

The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Prov 8:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

When there were no depths, I was brought forth (begotten); when there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.Gen.1:4

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Prov 8:25

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:5


Amen?


Greetings Seve, and I pray the Lord would open your eyes that you would see/understand what you are reading, because you are adding the Trinity in them verses. I keep saying (as I have for the past 20 years) that Yes, the son Word, the Holy Spirit, the seven Spirits of God, the Angels of the Lord Michael, Gabriel, the Angel of Fire, and yes, even you and me can be "One with God", but the Trinity-gods will never be one with God, .. never, because it is idolatry. They are deities, deified by man just as the Catholic church deifies many saints/gods, just as they have before Christ arrived.

Again: There is a huge difference between my wife and two kids being one with me, or saying that "Arius is actually made up of three persons", or in my case; four persons.

The Word was with God, and the Word 'was' God just as Eve was Adam BEFORE God took her out of him. Does Eve make up Adam?
No.
Eves existence came from Adam, she does not make up who Adam is. Same with God, He Is, or as he told Moses: "I Am".
Let's say you invent three things in your mind like a toaster, a coffeemaker and a pool table. Do these three objects make up who you are?

The Word was the "beginning of All Gods Creation", if you cannot see/understand this, it is because the Spirit of God has not, or could not make you see it, and that would be on your part, not his.
God can do all things, but He will not force anyone to accept Him. He has done and said all there is to say to make anyone willing to see/understand Him. But to do so, we have to give up a few things, starting with our Religion and the gods in said religion.

I can say this all day, but you will not see/understand because you, just like we all have for the past 1,700 years been blinded by this Christian Religion created by the RCC during Constantine.

Now I could go over it again and again, verse by verse and explain every Bible quote you posted to show you that it was God who CREATED or beget all things, and the first of all His creation was His son Word, just as you point it out to me, the only problem is that you will never see/understand what you are actually quoting unless you step outside your box/Religion.

Like this here:

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Seve quoted:
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Prov 8:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

Like the words: "I was set up", doesn't mean someone set God up. You cannot "set up" Infinite and Eternal, He simply Is, or as he said: "I Am". Now re-read everything else you quoted, .. and until you see "God creating, God saying, God doing" in those verses, then I have nothing further to say that will make any sense to you. It's not complicated really, all it takes is a unadulterated willing heart, and there is no greater adulterated doctrine than the Trinity. The R.C. Christians have tortured and murdered millions and millions over it in their past 1,700 year rule over the Bible.
I mean come on, WWJD, torture people who don't understand who he is, or who his Father is?
No, of course not, as we can see how the Jews denied who he was even though Jesus fulfilled every prophesy about his coming. Jesus did not torture or murder anyone to accept those prophesies.

God bless you, the One and ONLY possible Infinite and Eternal "I Am" that is.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2019, 03:47:43 pm »
Dear Arius,


Simple questions  just to make sure I understand your Biblical stand correctly.

Who do you think the Father of our Lord YHWH is? What is His name?

Who do you think the Christ is? Whose Son is He?

Thanks

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2019, 06:27:42 pm »
Dear Arius,


Simple questions  just to make sure I understand your Biblical stand correctly.

Who do you think the Father of our Lord YHWH is? What is His name?

Love you brother Seve, first, YHWH is a reference to God, but if you mean the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, then here is how I understand God as revealed by His son Word (in the Bible):

Infinite and Eternal is God, thus by the very definition of Infinite and Eternal there can be No Other gods besides Him. I mean where would you put another god besides Infinite which is borderless, .. right?

I see/understand Infinite as I see and understand my (our) own spirit/mind, which I believe is of God, that "breath of life" He gave into the body of Adam that He made of the dust of the earth, and is passed down to us all, making us living beings, or "mankind".
Our mind/spirit is also Infinite, and belongs to God, and eventually will return to God, the One who gave it.
Gods spirit/breath inside this temple that is made out of quantum dust particles makes us "individuals" from God, with free will, just as our Creator and Father has free will.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (NIV)
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own


God has no name because he is not a created being, but just references to Him, which can be anything from Lord, to;
YHWH.
El.
Eloah.
Elohim.
Elohai.
El Shaddai.
Tzevaot.
Jah.
Heavenly Father, .. etc.

But the name that truly defines Infinite/Mind, which He said was His name forever is: "I Am"
This takes some wisdom to understand since God has many names in the Bible that we can refer to at different time with different needs, like under the law it would be "Lord". When feeling lost or hopeless it would be "Heavenly Father" etc. But what really defines The Infinite/Mind/Spirit is His revelation of consciousness: "I Am", .. which is like Infinite/Spirit, someone who cannot be seen, saying; "I exist".

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Who do you think the Christ is? Whose Son is He?

Thanks

Here, this is exactly how I understand, ..  and because all evidence points to it is how I also believe Jesus Christ is:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Since God is Infinite and Eternal (not to be confused with 'space' someone traveling through infinity and 'time' as in living for an eternity) The above verse is revealing Gods son Word, since all things were created through Him, he is the "beginning and the end" of all creation. Someone who has a "beginning and end cannot be Infinite, nor Eternal, which is God.
God is not a created being parse, but "the Ground of Being", or simply "Infinite".

The son Word -
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

Then, when the time of the prophesies came to be fulfilled:

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Mathew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

God bless you.

Arius
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2019, 10:02:53 pm »
Dear Arius,

Let me rephrase the SIMPLE question for you, my friend... It needs a simple answer!!!

Do you consider our Lord YHWH, known as the great "I AM" of the OT, as God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?

Thanks
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2019, 06:50:26 pm »
Dear Arius,

Let me rephrase the SIMPLE question for you, my friend... It needs a simple answer!!!

Do you consider our Lord YHWH, known as the great "I AM" of the OT, as God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?

Thanks

To you and Arius both.

1 Tom 3:16.(KJV)."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2019, 02:54:35 am »
Dear Readers,

YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been revealed to anyone at this time.

In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically. 

IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ... simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has been revealed to anyone at this time...

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.

Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world... made flesh...  and became known as Jesus Christ...  and die for us to save us from our sins.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.


God bless

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2019, 03:02:43 am by Seve »
Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

 

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