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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2020, 11:07:45 am »
So, in other words..... you got nuthin'
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2020, 11:39:23 am »
In my opinion the posts of Mr E show a lot promise that isn't completely fulfilled.
Mr E is still a complete "mystery" to me and there's actually more personal information on Patrick Jane in this thread than about Mr E.
I would be interested in Mr E posting on health care topics...


My own awakening I've shared elsewhere came about in a very small forum setting which I had found while searching to gain insight around some strange dreams I'd been having.  I found a man-- named Mark also, who could understand dreams and believe it or not, he was able to interact with me, in my dreams.  I would see him, speak with him, sit with him, walk with him and so on, and we became fast friends.  I visited him once in person in Wyoming and we sat and had lunch together... well I had lunch and he had coffee and pie.
I'm not so much interested in Mr E's interpretation of "heaven" but this "awakening" sounds interesting! Or is this "awakening" the pathway to "heaven"?!?

Is it something we can all reach? How?
What does this have to do with dreams?

It looks like this understander of dreams "Mark" had some sort of telepathic powers. I think that most people that have these kind of powers abuse them. Why do you believe that this man has helped you in your awakening? Maybe you would have found out "better" without his "help"?

I think that the best way to learn is learning from our mistakes. When somebody else helps you this if often counterproductive. I'm not saying that this was the case in this situation though...

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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2020, 12:13:07 pm »
My "awakening" isn't what this thread is about, but I don't mind talking about the process.

No- awakening is not the pathway to heaven, but the pathway to heaven cannot be traveled unless you are awake.  If you are asleep, you dream, but if you are awaken, you walk.  He who looks outside, dreams; He who looks inside, awakens.

All of your other questions relate.

Who can travel this path and how?  Anyone and everyone can travel this path, but most don't perceive of it.  Most dismiss the reality and are willing to trade it for soup du jour like Esau.  Messengers come and go to all, with people mostly unaware or in ignorance or sleepiness or pride they dismiss the message or simply don't understand it...

Dreams are the pathway.  There are other ways to see and I know some people have had things like near death experiences, or out of body experiences where they become aware that their spirit lives and experiences reality on a different plane.  Some people benefit from meditation, but I'm inept and a complete novice in this regard.

My cowboy friend Mark seems to be aware of everything that happens to some degree and he was able to travel at will.  It was almost like he was the proverbial fly on the wall, able to come and go and see and hear without much of a fuss.  The help he provided me was mostly in the form of understanding what it was I was seeing, but first he taught me to pay attention. 

Before he became known as the apostle Peter, there was a simple fisherman named Simon.  True to the meaning of his name -one who hearkens.  To see, one must only turn, and look.  This is the true meaning of repentance.

Without Mark's help I would be a wild mustang- free and untamed, this much is true.  Wild horses are beautiful enough and live their lives unchecked and unencumbered, but for what broader purpose?  They live for themselves and nothing more.  More noble is the horse who lends its strength to another for a greater purpose outside of itself.  At least that is how I see things these days.  We were taught to pray-- not my will, but thine.  -And unto Thee, I commit my spirit.

There is great value in learning from one's mistakes- the key is to not let it take to long.  Of greater value is the gift of learning from the mistakes of others... all of the benefit, none of the pain.  To accept this kind of help from another is wisdom. 

If I was a horse, Mark is a horse whisperer.  And as is the case of any messenger who might come to you- the nature of the messenger can be discerned by the quality of the message.  As a beginning point, the horse has to listen to what is being said, and only then can one begin to learn to understand.
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2020, 12:16:21 pm »
As for heaven--- does this sound like what you think of heaven to be?

Here are some things that happened 'in heaven:"

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.

Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems. And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.

And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2020, 10:49:41 pm »
There is a really good book by C.S. Lewis on his concepts of Heaven and Hell written in a fictional story format.  Excellent read.  I highly recommend it if you go in with an open mind.  Check out  "The Great Divorce"   Nice insights into one concept of The Kingdom of Heaven.
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2020, 10:31:04 am »
All of your other questions relate.
It was sort of one question that I tried to explain by adding some sub questions...
Of course my expressed hope that you would post on health topics isn’t related to my question(s)!


 
No- awakening is not the pathway to heaven, but the pathway to heaven cannot be traveled unless you are awake.  If you are asleep, you dream, but if you are awaken, you walk.  He who looks outside, dreams; He who looks inside, awakens.
I'm not sure but "awakening" sounds similar to the state of "enlightenment" favoured in religions like Hinduism, Buddhism and New Age.
As far as I can tell, you understand that "awakening" isn't absolute, but relative. You can always "awaken" more, so maybe "awakening" could be seen as a journey?!?


Some people benefit from meditation, but I'm inept and a complete novice in this regard.
This also sounds like Hinduism, Buddhism and New Age. I'm no fan of meditation as there is a risk of giving yourself fantastic “dreams”.
As far as I can tell, the only objective of meditation is (or should be) improving your concentration...


Without Mark's help I would be a wild mustang- free and untamed, this much is true.  Wild horses are beautiful enough and live their lives unchecked and unencumbered, but for what broader purpose?  They live for themselves and nothing more.  More noble is the horse who lends its strength to another for a greater purpose outside of itself.  At least that is how I see things these days.  We were taught to pray-- not my will, but thine.  -And unto Thee, I commit my spirit.
I think that the wild mustang is more beautiful than the tamed horse. For the same reason I like children over adults...
I also think that horses are intelligent animals. It’s almost like it’s their intelligence that lets them become enslaved (almost like humans).


There is great value in learning from one's mistakes- the key is to not let it take to long.  Of greater value is the gift of learning from the mistakes of others... all of the benefit, none of the pain.  To accept this kind of help from another is wisdom.
Yeah, but if somebody is afraid to make mistakes, they will always remain a fool!


If I was a horse, Mark is a horse whisperer.  And as is the case of any messenger who might come to you- the nature of the messenger can be discerned by the quality of the message.  As a beginning point, the horse has to listen to what is being said, and only then can one begin to learn to understand.
Some people don’t like it that when they’ve tried to teach me something, it becomes almost unrecognisable because I always interpret things myself and do NOT accept something because somebody tells me.
There are advantages to “my” philosophy though...


As for heaven--- does this sound like what you think of heaven to be?
Your ideas are refreshing in that I haven’t heard it expressed like this before. But then you argue with Bible quotes that certainly aren’t how I picture “heaven”....

I have a problem with how most Christians think of heaven.
When Christians become “faithful” to receive the reward of “heaven” - this is selfish.
Even worse are Christians that are happy that non-believers won’t go to heaven – this is hateful.

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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2020, 12:03:42 pm »
I'm not happy about people going to hell. I don't think of heaven as a "reward" but a free gift from God the Father.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2020, 08:41:08 am »
Thank you Chappy Mark. That was helpful. I read it many years ago, but a refresher was beneficial for me.
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2020, 08:55:32 am »
My pleasure Patrick. 
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2020, 10:20:38 am »
Mark that was me, not Patrick saying thanks for the book... That’s what happens when folks go by many names Mark.

Which Mark? — see?  Question Mark.

So too with scriptural authorship. Who wrote what?  Was it John?  Which John? John Mark?  Which James, Judas and Mary?

As for me... you can call me Al.



And I will call you Betty.
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2020, 09:02:23 pm »
My apology. It is as you say on names.
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2020, 10:10:25 pm »
Betty wishes he hadn’t called me Patrick now...

I appreciate Lewis— I particularly like the Narnia theology. Fantasy?

Allegory. Analogy.

You can call me Al

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Re: The kingdom of heaven
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2020, 10:11:38 pm »
Mark that was me, not Patrick saying thanks for the book... That’s what happens when folks go by many names Mark.

Which Mark? — see?  Question Mark.

So too with scriptural authorship. Who wrote what?  Was it John?  Which John? John Mark?  Which James, Judas and Mary?

As for me... you can call me Al.



And I will call you Betty.
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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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