+- +-

+- User

Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
 
 
 
Forgot your password?

+-Stats ezBlock

Members
Total Members: 119
Latest: Bella_777
New This Month: 0
New This Week: 0
New Today: 0
Stats
Total Posts: 18548
Total Topics: 893
Most Online Today: 161
Most Online Ever: 771
(July 30, 2019, 01:13:39 am)
Users Online
Members: 0
Guests: 55
Total: 55

Author Topic: The Babe In The Manger  (Read 1229 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Olde Tymer

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1005
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • Referrals: 0
The Babe In The Manger
« on: December 24, 2018, 06:31:51 am »
.
Luke 2:1-12a . . Now it came about in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth. This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. And all were proceeding to register for the census, everyone to his own city.

. . . And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, in order to register, along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.

. . . And it came about that while they were there, the days were completed for her to give birth. And she gave birth to her first-born son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

Luke 2:1-12b. . . And in the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened.

. . . And the angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find the babe wrapped in cloths, and lying in a manger.

The koiné Greek word for "savior' is soter (so-tare') which means a rescuer. Most everybody has seen rescuers in action at one time or another, e.g. Fireman, Cops, Emergency Medical teams, snow patrols, mountain rescue units, and the Coast Guard. Rescuers typically help people to safety who are in grave danger and/or distress and completely helpless to do anything about it.

Just how useful would the savior of Luke 2:8-12 really be if he couldn't guarantee a fail-safe, sin proof, commandment proof, human-error proof, God proof rescue from the wrath of God and full time protection from retribution? He'd be no savior at all; he'd be more like a coach or a manager than a rescuer.

But if instead, the savior announced by the angel guarantees anybody who wants it, a completely free of charge, no strings attached, fail-safe, sin proof, commandment proof, human-error proof, God proof rescue from the wrath of God, and full-time protection from retribution; wouldn't he qualify as good news of great joy? I think everyone would have to agree with me that a savior like that would not only most certainly be good news; but also cause for celebration.
_
« Last Edit: December 25, 2018, 12:40:24 pm by patrick jane »

Share on Facebook Share on Twitter

Informative Informative x 1 View List

patrick jane

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10861
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • Research Jesus Christ - Research Flat Earth
  • Location: Homeless in God's Flat Earth
  • Referrals: 41
    • Theology Forums
Re: The Babe In The Manger
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2018, 11:23:29 am »
.
Luke 2:1-12a . . Now it came about in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth. This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. And all were proceeding to register for the census, everyone to his own city.

. . . And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, in order to register, along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.

. . . And it came about that while they were there, the days were completed for her to give birth. And she gave birth to her first-born son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

Luke 2:1-12b. . . And in the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened.

. . . And the angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find the babe wrapped in cloths, and lying in a manger.

The koiné Greek word for "savior' is soter (so-tare') which means a rescuer. Most everybody has seen rescuers in action at one time or another, e.g. Fireman, Cops, Emergency Medical teams, snow patrols, mountain rescue units, and the Coast Guard. Rescuers typically help people to safety who are in grave danger and/or distress and completely helpless to do anything about it.

Just how useful would the savior of Luke 2:8-12 really be if he couldn't guarantee a fail-safe, sin proof, commandment proof, human-error proof, God proof rescue from the wrath of God and full time protection from retribution? He'd be no savior at all; he'd be more like a coach or a manager than a rescuer.

But if instead, the savior announced by the angel guarantees anybody who wants it, a completely free of charge, no strings attached, fail-safe, sin proof, commandment proof, human-error proof, God proof rescue from the wrath of God, and full-time protection from retribution; wouldn't he qualify as good news of great joy? I think everyone would have to agree with me that a savior like that would not only most certainly be good news; but also cause for celebration.
_

Amen brother, great post !!! Merry Christmas Olde Tymer
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


Copyright Disclaimer: All audio and music belongs to the owner/creator. This is a non-profit. Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing.

Olde Tymer

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1005
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • Referrals: 0
Re: The Babe In The Manger
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2018, 12:40:03 pm »
.
Luke 2:25-31 . . Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord's Christ. Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts.

. . .When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying: Sovereign Lord, as you have promised; dismiss now your servant in peace, for my eyes have seen your salvation, which you have prepared in the sight of all people.

The Greek word for "salvation" in Simeon's prayer is soterion (so-tay'-ree-on) which basically means defender. In this case, it's no doubt speaking of a public defender; viz: a court-appointed attorney.

God could charge for Jesus' service, but in His kindness, any fee He might have charged is waived; and everyone, regardless of their income level and/or social status, qualifies for assistance.

John 6:37-38 . . All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will certainly not refuse.

"Whoever" is a pretty big word. It leaves nobody out in the cold with nowhere else to turn.

Q: Defends against what?

A: Rev 20:11-15 depicts a courtroom scene to which people will be subpoenaed to appear and answer charges against them.

Q: So? What can Jesus do for me; make sure I get a fair trial before being thrown alive and screaming into the lake of fire depicted in that scene?

A: Should you enlist Jesus for legal aid, he knows how to get any and all charges against you dropped; so that on the books, it will appear as if you've always been nothing less than 100% innocent. In other words: Jesus knows a perfectly legitimate way to get his clients acquitted regardless of the severity of their sins against God.
_

Bladerunner

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1973
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • My Friend
  • Location: Tennessee, USA
  • Referrals: 0
Re: The Babe In The Manger
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2019, 07:36:37 pm »
.
Luke 2:25-31 . . Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord's Christ. Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts.

. . .When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying: Sovereign Lord, as you have promised; dismiss now your servant in peace, for my eyes have seen your salvation, which you have prepared in the sight of all people.

The Greek word for "salvation" in Simeon's prayer is soterion (so-tay'-ree-on) which basically means defender. In this case, it's no doubt speaking of a public defender; viz: a court-appointed attorney.

God could charge for Jesus' service, but in His kindness, any fee He might have charged is waived; and everyone, regardless of their income level and/or social status, qualifies for assistance.

John 6:37-38 . . All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will certainly not refuse.

"Whoever" is a pretty big word. It leaves nobody out in the cold with nowhere else to turn.

Q: Defends against what?

A: Rev 20:11-15 depicts a courtroom scene to which people will be subpoenaed to appear and answer charges against them.

Q: So? What can Jesus do for me; make sure I get a fair trial before being thrown alive and screaming into the lake of fire depicted in that scene?

A: Should you enlist Jesus for legal aid, he knows how to get any and all charges against you dropped; so that on the books, it will appear as if you've always been nothing less than 100% innocent. In other words: Jesus knows a perfectly legitimate way to get his clients acquitted regardless of the severity of their sins against God.
_


Olde Tymer...you said:"What can Jesus do for me; make sure I get a fair trial before being thrown alive and screaming into the lake of fire depicted in that scene?"

Unless you are talking to those souls that reside in HELL, I am not sure who you are talking to??? Those who believed in Jesus and were part of His Church (Body/Bride) of Christ, have been in heaven for over 1000 years by the time of the White Throne Judgement. They have already been judged and will receive no more judgement..

It appears your ramblings here are dangerous to a person's eternal soul.


The other part is that you have reduced Jesus Christ down to a lawyer?? You said:"Should you enlist Jesus for legal aid, he knows how to get any and all charges against you dropped"

The very title Jesus warns against in:

Luke 14:46....."And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers."

I know you did not mean anything by it but one needs to be a little more careful, I would think?

Blade
I concur.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2019, 11:11:18 pm by patrick jane »
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
Agree Agree x 1 View List

patrick jane

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10861
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • Research Jesus Christ - Research Flat Earth
  • Location: Homeless in God's Flat Earth
  • Referrals: 41
    • Theology Forums
Re: The Babe In The Manger
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2020, 01:32:16 pm »
babe
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


Copyright Disclaimer: All audio and music belongs to the owner/creator. This is a non-profit. Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing.

patrick jane

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10861
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • Research Jesus Christ - Research Flat Earth
  • Location: Homeless in God's Flat Earth
  • Referrals: 41
    • Theology Forums
Re: The Babe In The Manger
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2020, 03:49:24 pm »
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


Copyright Disclaimer: All audio and music belongs to the owner/creator. This is a non-profit. Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing.

patrick jane

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10861
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • Research Jesus Christ - Research Flat Earth
  • Location: Homeless in God's Flat Earth
  • Referrals: 41
    • Theology Forums
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


Copyright Disclaimer: All audio and music belongs to the owner/creator. This is a non-profit. Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing.

patrick jane

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10861
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • Research Jesus Christ - Research Flat Earth
  • Location: Homeless in God's Flat Earth
  • Referrals: 41
    • Theology Forums
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


Copyright Disclaimer: All audio and music belongs to the owner/creator. This is a non-profit. Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing.

patrick jane

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10861
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • Research Jesus Christ - Research Flat Earth
  • Location: Homeless in God's Flat Earth
  • Referrals: 41
    • Theology Forums
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


Copyright Disclaimer: All audio and music belongs to the owner/creator. This is a non-profit. Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing.


 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
19 Replies
1230 Views
Last post January 28, 2020, 05:47:25 pm
by Bladerunner

+-Recent Topics

The ancient debacle settled by Bladerunner
Today at 05:39:06 pm

Rose by Bladerunner
Today at 05:37:19 pm

A little chinese girl by Bladerunner
Today at 05:35:30 pm

Is the church ready for the great tribulation? by Bladerunner
Today at 05:33:54 pm

The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation by Bladerunner
Today at 05:32:39 pm

The Millennial Jews by Bladerunner
Today at 05:30:33 pm

What's on your mind? Chat Thread by truthjourney
Today at 02:03:02 pm

How did they know what a cherubim looked like? by patrick jane
Today at 01:09:21 pm

ANGELS & DEMONS by patrick jane
Today at 01:09:01 pm

Ministry On Video by Lion Of Judah by patrick jane
Today at 12:59:32 pm

TOMMY TRAVELS YOUTUBE CHANNEL by patrick jane
Today at 11:18:26 am

VIDEO POETRY BY KEN ALLAN DRONSFIELD by patrick jane
Today at 07:36:20 am

The fearless evangelist by patrick jane
Today at 07:36:02 am

I saw my brother's ghost by patrick jane
Today at 07:34:50 am

A voice said "knock on this door" by patrick jane
Today at 07:34:00 am

A Pentecostal Sermon by patrick jane
Today at 07:33:39 am

The Drill Sergeant by patrick jane
Today at 07:33:26 am

The Miracle Rally by patrick jane
Today at 07:32:49 am