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Quote from: Bladerunner on October 30, 2018, 09:38:46 pm

would be happy to. Give me some time to look up your “Version Exclusivity” at TF and get familiar with it.

Blade

Ok cool, Kiwi (I think it was Kiwi anyway) has put forth a few points in favor of the view as well since then. I believe he even referenced the Alexandrian manuscripts and potential early Gnostic influence, but you are definitely welcome to add to the discussion. I’m behind on several threads that I’ve been following or had started myself, so I’ll get back to it when I can. The changes on both forums have also kind have taken some time to re-learn how to navigate and participate the way I did before lol.

KING JAMES BIBLE 1611

Jon, have looked at the "VE" thread and nothing has come out about that except personal opinions. I may have missed a few. I will still continue to read it but at this point in time,

We can speak of the Alexandria Codicies (three of them) or the 9 different versions of the English Bibles (only one version of the 1611 (KJV)over 400 years)or maybe Wescott/Hort, Gnostics, Grammatical Errors in the KJV (1611 version), Tyndale, 5500 Greek manuscripts (New Testament manuscripts), The Leningrad Codex and on and on and on.

Or we could talk about how Satan's work effect the many modern versions and just how are they affected.

(i.e.)....Removing the deity of GOD or Jesus Christ, etc.
attacking Salvation, Virgin Birth, atonement, resurrection of Christ, God as Man, contradictions, doubting God's WORD,  etc. etc. etc.

Changing words, deleting words, deleting last twelve verses of Mark,etc.

Jon, I could go on and on...... It is a big subject.

The Bottom line is that Book we call the Holy Bible forms our opinion and understanding of God, Trinity, Jesus Christ,, prophecies,salvation, grace, etc. etc. etc.

Even our Hermeneutics is somewhat suggested by the Bible.

Thus it is important to have the best version available and Not one that changes according to societies needs. Do they or will they change the lord's prayer in later versions? Odds are one of them will.It is only a matter of time.

So Jon, where do we go from here is your choice? I don't think rehashing VE post would help any but if there is something specific, we can go there.

Blade

Quote from: Bladerunner on October 31, 2018, 09:14:58 pm

Jon, have looked at the "VE" thread and nothing has come out about that except personal opinions. I may have missed a few. I will still continue to read it but at this point in time,

We can speak of the Alexandria Codicies (three of them) or the 9 different versions of the English Bibles (only one version of the 1611 (KJV)over 400 years)or maybe Wescott/Hort, Gnostics, Grammatical Errors in the KJV (1611 version), Tyndale, 5500 Greek manuscripts (New Testament manuscripts), The Leningrad Codex and on and on and on.

Or we could talk about how Satan's work effect the many modern versions and just how are they affected.

(i.e.)....Removing the deity of GOD or Jesus Christ, etc.
attacking Salvation, Virgin Birth, atonement, resurrection of Christ, God as Man, contradictions, doubting God's WORD,  etc. etc. etc.

Changing words, deleting words, deleting last twelve verses of Mark,etc.

Jon, I could go on and on...... It is a big subject.

The Bottom line is that Book we call the Holy Bible forms our opinion and understanding of God, Trinity, Jesus Christ,, prophecies,salvation, grace, etc. etc. etc.

Even our Hermeneutics is somewhat suggested by the Bible.

Thus it is important to have the best version available and Not one that changes according to societies needs. Do they or will they change the lord's prayer in later versions? Odds are one of them will.It is only a matter of time.

So Jon, where do we go from here is your choice? I don't think rehashing VE post would help any but if there is something specific, we can go there.

Blade

Thanks Blade, it’s a subject that invites personal opinion and asks why we come to the decision to use only one version of the Bible solely or not (over all others). I wanted to learn about some of the factors that influence the decision to be “V.E.” or not.

Honestly, I’d like to start with your personal opinion... at least in the beginning. What I mean by that is, “What factored into your original decision to be KJV-Only?” We can speak to all of the other points later, we can discuss the subject as in depth as you would like.

One reason that I’m personally not a proponent of “V.E.”, Is that I have little, to no, knowledge of by whom and under what conditions any version was translated into English. Now, I am currently reading a book on the history of the biblical canon and am learning a little about that.

Quote from: patrick jane on November 02, 2018, 07:34:15 am

Good to hear Jon and I seek Blade's opinion on many things. For me, it was the simplicity of the KJV that sold me. It flowed as poetry. I didn't find out until AFTER I chose the KJV as my of choice just exactly how accurate it is. I think you would enjoy the video in my Bible Audio Books threads here. Old and New Testament called "The History of The Bible". I posted that excellent video at the end of both threads here. I learned a great deal about the Bible, the history and translations from that vid. Listen to it while you do other things online. Oh wait, you're limited to a phone only. So sad.

I enjoy talking with Blade, he’s pretty willing to discuss subjects at length and in depth, and I appreciate that. I like reading opinions from most of the people I’ve gotten to know a little across both of the forums I’m on, it helps me form my own opinions and opens me up to honestly look at my own beliefs.

Quote from: Bladerunner on October 31, 2018, 09:14:58 pm

Jon, have looked at the "VE" thread and nothing has come out about that except personal opinions. I may have missed a few. I will still continue to read it but at this point in time,

We can speak of the Alexandria Codicies (three of them) or the 9 different versions of the English Bibles (only one version of the 1611 (KJV)over 400 years)or maybe Wescott/Hort, Gnostics, Grammatical Errors in the KJV (1611 version), Tyndale, 5500 Greek manuscripts (New Testament manuscripts), The Leningrad Codex and on and on and on.

Or we could talk about how Satan's work effect the many modern versions and just how are they affected.

(i.e.)....Removing the deity of GOD or Jesus Christ, etc.
attacking Salvation, Virgin Birth, atonement, resurrection of Christ, God as Man, contradictions, doubting God's WORD,  etc. etc. etc.

Changing words, deleting words, deleting last twelve verses of Mark,etc.

Jon, I could go on and on...... It is a big subject.

The Bottom line is that Book we call the Holy Bible forms our opinion and understanding of God, Trinity, Jesus Christ,, prophecies,salvation, grace, etc. etc. etc.

Even our Hermeneutics is somewhat suggested by the Bible.

Thus it is important to have the best version available and Not one that changes according to societies needs. Do they or will they change the lord's prayer in later versions? Odds are one of them will.It is only a matter of time.

So Jon, where do we go from here is your choice? I don't think rehashing VE post would help any but if there is something specific, we can go there.

Blade

Thanks Blade, it’s a subject that invites personal opinion and asks why we come to the decision to use only one version of the Bible solely or not (over all others). I wanted to learn about some of the factors that influence the decision to be “V.E.” or not.

Honestly, I’d like to start with your personal opinion... at least in the beginning. What I mean by that is, “What factored into your original decision to be KJV-Only?” We can speak to all of the other points later, we can discuss the subject as in depth as you would like.

One reason that I’m personally not a proponent of “V.E.”, Is that I have little, to no, knowledge of by whom and under what conditions any version was translated into English. Now, I am currently reading a book on the history of the biblical canon and am learning a little about that.

KJV