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Should Christians Use The KJV Only?
« on: September 30, 2018, 05:01:32 pm »
Should Christians Use The KJV Only?


Should Christians use the KJV only?

God promises to perfectly preserve His word... so we should definitely seek the truth of which translation is that perfectly preserved translation.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

1 Peter 1:25 but the word of the Lord endureth for ever.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


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Re: Should Christians Use The KJV Only?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2018, 10:51:38 pm »
All one needs to do is look to the actual codex that was used to translate the Bible into English. If your Bible is from the Alexander Codex, then you have a Book full of missing verses, full of added verses. Rem, the Gnostics were from Alexander.

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Re: Should Christians Use The KJV Only?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2018, 06:38:46 am »
I use nothing but the KJV and I believe every word. I have the NIV study Bible and I will read any Bible but when I read to meditate and study the word it is always KJV. I have a small leather pocket red letter NT Bible and it is perfect for laying down and reading.

You see, I tried to enjoy reading the Bible before I opened up a KJV and I could not stay focused and interested long enough to absorb and comprehend what little I WAS reading. Finally God's word opened up like never before and at that same time I was saved again after drifting away from Christ for 25 years.

The King James just reads smoothly for me and it makes more sense. I truly believe I understand the KJV more in the spirit than any other version. I feel the holy spirit when I read from King James Bibles. I am not a NKJV person yet though. Thanks for the great video @victoriaroseinchrist !!!
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 10:35:46 am »
Should Christians Use The KJV Only?


Should Christians use the KJV only?

God promises to perfectly preserve His word... so we should definitely seek the truth of which translation is that perfectly preserved translation.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

1 Peter 1:25 but the word of the Lord endureth for ever.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


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I have to disagree with this video. The definition given for “preservation” seems to equate more closely to “availability” than anything. It seems to state that Christians should be KJV only because it has been used longer and is more available.

All calls from the author of the video to do research and study seem to use the KJV as the measuring stick and anything that does not fully parrot the KJV is incorrect. The KJV is not allowed to be questioned because of her view on what constitutes preservation, all study is based on a conclusion she has already arrived at. Older manuscripts in the original languages are not valid for her to consider, because it wouldn’t be a fair comparison because she’d have to learn two new languages to challenge a version she is already fully invested in.

I have no problem with the KJV only crowd, because I believe all truth is what is actually preserved in scripture, discrepancies between differing versions can be investigated  if someone truly wants to know what version most closely matches the original documents.  This can’t be done if we are afraid that the version we have committed ourselves to being wrong has a negative effect on us. I don’t think it’s correct to tell someone to study and then only give them the parameters to draw the same conclusions as yourself. Again, I believe it’s ok to be KJV for whatever reason you decide to be, but i’m Not sure sending someone else on a biased study is the best course to encourage study.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2018, 01:41:52 pm »
I have to disagree with this video. The definition given for “preservation” seems to equate more closely to “availability” than anything. It seems to state that Christians should be KJV only because it has been used longer and is more available.

All calls from the author of the video to do research and study seem to use the KJV as the measuring stick and anything that does not fully parrot the KJV is incorrect. The KJV is not allowed to be questioned because of her view on what constitutes preservation, all study is based on a conclusion she has already arrived at. Older manuscripts in the original languages are not valid for her to consider, because it wouldn’t be a fair comparison because she’d have to learn two new languages to challenge a version she is already fully invested in.

I have no problem with the KJV only crowd, because I believe all truth is what is actually preserved in scripture, discrepancies between differing versions can be investigated  if someone truly wants to know what version most closely matches the original documents.  This can’t be done if we are afraid that the version we have committed ourselves to being wrong has a negative effect on us. I don’t think it’s correct to tell someone to study and then only give them the parameters to draw the same conclusions as yourself. Again, I believe it’s ok to be KJV for whatever reason you decide to be, but i’m Not sure sending someone else on a biased study is the best course to encourage study.

After re-reading my comment, i’d like it noted that the “biased study” I mentioned, is referring to study where ones own presuppositions are not up for scrutiny along with the new material being reviewed. I hope I did not come across as unfriendly because it’s often quite difficult to disagree in writing and not sound a little contrarian lol. I mess it up all of the time, personally.

 If we take the versions we use (or anything else we humans discuss) purely on faith , then I can understand that, but I disagree with the premise that one can actually study in a comparative manner when we’ve already declared our own view the winner and reject anything to the contrary immediately and this was my main point of disagreement on the subject. I guess I can leave this comment as is after this sentence, because anything else i’ve Started to write feels wholly unnecessary to me currently lol.

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Re: Should Christians Use The KJV Only?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2018, 05:09:10 pm »
I have to disagree with this video. The definition given for “preservation” seems to equate more closely to “availability” than anything. It seems to state that Christians should be KJV only because it has been used longer and is more available.

All calls from the author of the video to do research and study seem to use the KJV as the measuring stick and anything that does not fully parrot the KJV is incorrect. The KJV is not allowed to be questioned because of her view on what constitutes preservation, all study is based on a conclusion she has already arrived at. Older manuscripts in the original languages are not valid for her to consider, because it wouldn’t be a fair comparison because she’d have to learn two new languages to challenge a version she is already fully invested in.

I have no problem with the KJV only crowd, because I believe all truth is what is actually preserved in scripture, discrepancies between differing versions can be investigated  if someone truly wants to know what version most closely matches the original documents.  This can’t be done if we are afraid that the version we have committed ourselves to being wrong has a negative effect on us. I don’t think it’s correct to tell someone to study and then only give them the parameters to draw the same conclusions as yourself. Again, I believe it’s ok to be KJV for whatever reason you decide to be, but i’m Not sure sending someone else on a biased study is the best course to encourage study.

After re-reading my comment, i’d like it noted that the “biased study” I mentioned, is referring to study where ones own presuppositions are not up for scrutiny along with the new material being reviewed. I hope I did not come across as unfriendly because it’s often quite difficult to disagree in writing and not sound a little contrarian lol. I mess it up all of the time, personally.

 If we take the versions we use (or anything else we humans discuss) purely on faith , then I can understand that, but I disagree with the premise that one can actually study in a comparative manner when we’ve already declared our own view the winner and reject anything to the contrary immediately and this was my main point of disagreement on the subject. I guess I can leave this comment as is after this sentence, because anything else i’ve Started to write feels wholly unnecessary to me currently lol.
You came across ok and I understand your line of thinking but where does it stop? Do we spend our entire lives considering and comparing "new information" and different Bible versions? We should be settled and of one mind per scripture. Personally, it's a personal preference and I knew the KJV was for me when I first opened it and began to read as the holy spirit spoke to me.
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2018, 05:45:08 pm »
You came across ok and I understand your line of thinking but where does it stop? Do we spend our entire lives considering and comparing "new information" and different Bible versions? We should be settled and of one mind per scripture. Personally, it's a personal preference and I knew the KJV was for me when I first opened it and began to read as the holy spirit spoke to me.

Ok, glad I didn’t come across unnecessarily jerky. I get your line of thinking too, I MAINLY use KJV myself because more people relate to it and I agree that it is a preference thing. My issue was never with the KJV only view, my issue lay in the urging of a biased approach of comparative  study. The only results you can get like that, are the results you are looking for. Really, the only one who can tell you where you draw the line and stop looking further is yourself. If someone doesn’t care to explore why discrepancy exists between their favorite version and others, and put all their faith in one version, that’s perfectly understandable.
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2018, 09:00:03 pm »
You came across ok and I understand your line of thinking but where does it stop? Do we spend our entire lives considering and comparing "new information" and different Bible versions? We should be settled and of one mind per scripture. Personally, it's a personal preference and I knew the KJV was for me when I first opened it and began to read as the holy spirit spoke to me.

Ok, glad I didn’t come across unnecessarily jerky. I get your line of thinking too, I MAINLY use KJV myself because more people relate to it and I agree that it is a preference thing. My issue was never with the KJV only view, my issue lay in the urging of a biased approach of comparative  study. The only results you can get like that, are the results you are looking for. Really, the only one who can tell you where you draw the line and stop looking further is yourself. If someone doesn’t care to explore why discrepancy exists between their favorite version and others, and put all their faith in one version, that’s perfectly understandable.

There are a lot of versions out there but only one of them came from a codex other than the Alexander Codex. The city of the Gnostics.

 We have had the same KJV version for 400 years.If you do your memory work from the KJV it is not going to change. on the other hand, all the other versions are redone every other year or so.

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2018, 10:58:27 pm »
There are a lot of versions out there but only one of them came from a codex other than the Alexander Codex. The city of the Gnostics.

 We have had the same KJV version for 400 years.If you do your memory work from the KJV it is not going to change. on the other hand, all the other versions are redone every other year or so.

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To me, this statement seems a more logical reasoning behind espousing a view of “KJV-Only”. I’m not up to snuff on the irreconcilability between Gnostic and Christian belief systems, nor am I much aware of the constant updating of newer versions and the proposed reasoning behind the practice. Points like those you just stated are very helpful to someone that wishes to study history in their consideration Of whether or not they want to fully commit themselves to one version over all others.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2018, 10:59:45 pm »
I dunno how I got that weird layout of my last post lol
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2018, 11:23:42 am »
Blade, I referred to your consideration of the Alexander codex and potential Gnostic influence on my “Version Exclusivity” thread at TF. I would be happy if you would like to expand on it, or to correct me if I misunderstood the position. That point is one of the few that has been presented in favor of an “Only-ist” view as no others have come to explain their reasoning. Xenn has given some additional historical reasoning behind the tradition, though he does not espouse it personally, as far as I’m aware.
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2018, 09:38:46 pm »
Blade, I referred to your consideration of the Alexander codex and potential Gnostic influence on my “Version Exclusivity” thread at TF. I would be happy if you would like to expand on it, or to correct me if I misunderstood the position. That point is one of the few that has been presented in favor of an “Only-ist” view as no others have come to explain their reasoning. Xenn has given some additional historical reasoning behind the tradition, though he does not espouse it personally, as far as I’m aware.

would be happy to. Give me some time to look up your “Version Exclusivity” at TF and get familiar with it.

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2018, 01:38:48 pm »

would be happy to. Give me some time to look up your “Version Exclusivity” at TF and get familiar with it.

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Ok cool, Kiwi (I think it was Kiwi anyway) has put forth a few points in favor of the view as well since then. I believe he even referenced the Alexandrian manuscripts and potential early Gnostic influence, but you are definitely welcome to add to the discussion. I’m behind on several threads that I’ve been following or had started myself, so I’ll get back to it when I can. The changes on both forums have also kind have taken some time to re-learn how to navigate and participate the way I did before lol.
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