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Re: Looking at the “C” in an “E.C.T. Hell”
« on: September 10, 2018, 04:45:13 am »
So i’m Curious of the level of Conciousness Involved within an Eternal Conscious Torment description of Hell. I see a potential problem and I don’t know if it’s been pointed out elsewhere.

With full access to  your consciousness, you would have access to thoughts that could be relieving of the torment if you weren’t so focused on being selfish and worrying about your own hellish torment. So, can those who know how to be selfless truly be tormented for all eternity? If they aren’t subject to that torment, does that make them believers even if they have no idea of Jesus? I don’t think it takes knowing Jesus to know how to not be a selfish jerk, but i’m Sure it’s a pretty common way. So I see a hole in the logic there for fully conscious eternal torment.

On the other hand, if Access is taken away from that potentially soothing information, is that person fully themselves and subject to the same punishment as they would have been before they were altered for the torment?
I think I understand what you're saying and I agree.

I have always since I was a small child had a problem with the belief in hellfire as it was called then. Because when I was a child, I felt a closeness to God and the way He presented himself to me that his characteristics were unconditional love, mercy, compassion, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness. The idea that he could torment someone for eternity in hellfire was something that I would never have believed about Him. If I had believed that then there would have been a wall put up between me and Him, a separation, the closeness and trust and faith I had in Him would have been basically destroyed. Because I grew up in a very abusive environment with people who took pleasure in torture and other things I won't mention. So I did not view God as being the same way as these people were. He was the opposite of what they were. He was good and they were evil. He was light and they were darkness. He was love and they were hate. He was gentle and they were cruel. I thought of Him as a very loving heavenly Father who always made me feel loved and he gave me strength to endure what was happening to me.

But over the years as I was growing up, I went to churches and hellfire was continually preached to the point that I began to feel a morbid fear of God. I lost that closeness I had with Him. A wall was put up, a barrier, that separated me from Him. He was being misrepresented and described in human terms. The things that humans do to each other. The way that humans think. Down through history, and I learned about how people would be burned at the stake. I learned from the scriptures how babies were offered up to Baal and burned alive. Jer. 19:5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal--something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind....Jer. 32:35 They have built the high places of Baal in the Valley of Hinnom to make their sons and daughters pass through the fire to Molech--something I never commanded them, nor had it ever entered My mind, that they should commit such an abomination and cause Judah to sin.
I learned how people used torture on others in the most heinous ways. And at the same time I was being taught in churches that God was the same way as humans, just as cruel or more so than humans because he was going to torture and torment people in hellfire for eternity. And I battled with this and became angry with God because I had been so conditioned to view him as being so much worse than humans and the things that humans do to each other.

When I was 15, I was in a foster home and there was this little girl brought there. She was 7 years old. Her mother had burned her hands on the stove and they were disfigured. Every night she would have nightmares, screaming in agony while clutching her hands together. Every night I would hear her screaming in pain and agony while clutching her hands together. I tried to calm and reassure her till she went back to sleep. And I started thinking about this. I was thinking about her mother and what a monster she was to do that to this little girl. And then the thought occurred to me, well isn't that the way you view God now? Do you really believe that God is as cruel as this little girl's mother was? Is he a monster the way you view her mother? That was a turning point for me. It really made a major impression on me.

Then after I got married and had children, there was no way that I would ever even consider the thought of burning my children alive. Does that mean that I have more love and compassion than God does? No, I do not. God is perfect and is love. His ways are higher than our ways. His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. He cannot be compared with humans that way. It is humans whose ways are cruel and evil and who enjoy the idea of torture, not all humans of course but many do.

So the walls have been torn down that separated me from God. the barriers are gone. I now view God almost the same way as I did when I was a child. I say almost because I can't quite recapture that childlike trust and faith that I had in God then. But it's close enough. I view Him as a loving Heavenly Father.

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