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Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« on: April 03, 2020, 06:07:59 am »
The first thing to do is to distinguish the Great Tribulation from the Wrath of God. Paul teaches that we are clean escaped from the wrath of God, nobody gets left behind in the Rapture, that is a bunch of nonsense, we have been bought with the precious blood of Jesus.
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[/size]But says Paul "through great tribulation must we be saved" he says this in relation to the persecution he and his fellow apostles were undergoing along with the Thessalonians.
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[/size]Tribulation is persecution and comes from man, the Great Tribulation is the great end-time persecution which Jesus warned about saying "you will be hated by all men for My name's sake."
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[/size]The persecutor will be Antichrist, the beast.
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[/size]Why am I sure that the church will go through the Great Tribulation?
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[/size]It's very simple, since the source of the tribulation is Antichrist, all must take his number or perish, but His career is ended when Jesus returns. As soon as he seats himself in the temple declaring that he himself is God the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout and slay him with the breath of His mouth.
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[/size]But Antichrist will have had his career, opposing every thing called god. His mission will have been to stamp out all religion.
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[/size]The church is taken out at that time [what is left of it] Paul says "we who are left and remain" I dunno that just seems to indicate to me not very many. Jesus asks "but when the Son of man returns will He find faith on earth?"
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[/size]Then comes the wrath of God upon the unbelieving world.
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[/size]I believe many will be saved, we read of Enoch that he walked with God and was not for God took him. This is the first rapture recorded in the bible and thereafter "men began to call upon the Lord."
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[/size]The wicked who remain will flee to the end of the earth. The Millennium reign will be rolled out from Jerusalem, although His appearance is sudden and a worldwide event.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2020, 07:05:02 am »
The first thing to do is to distinguish the Great Tribulation from the Wrath of God. Paul teaches that we are clean escaped from the wrath of God, nobody gets left behind in the Rapture, that is a bunch of nonsense, we have been bought with the precious blood of Jesus.
[/size]
[/size]But says Paul "through great tribulation must we be saved" he says this in relation to the persecution he and his fellow apostles were undergoing along with the Thessalonians.
[/size]
[/size]Tribulation is persecution and comes from man, the Great Tribulation is the great end-time persecution which Jesus warned about saying "you will be hated by all men for My name's sake."
[/size]
[/size]The persecutor will be Antichrist, the beast.
[/size]
[/size]Why am I sure that the church will go through the Great Tribulation?
[/size]
[/size]It's very simple, since the source of the tribulation is Antichrist, all must take his number or perish, but His career is ended when Jesus returns. As soon as he seats himself in the temple declaring that he himself is God the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout and slay him with the breath of His mouth.
[/size]
[/size]But Antichrist will have had his career, opposing every thing called god. His mission will have been to stamp out all religion.
[/size]
[/size]The church is taken out at that time [what is left of it] Paul says "we who are left and remain" I dunno that just seems to indicate to me not very many. Jesus asks "but when the Son of man returns will He find faith on earth?"
[/size]
[/size]Then comes the wrath of God upon the unbelieving world.
[/size]
[/size]I believe many will be saved, we read of Enoch that he walked with God and was not for God took him. This is the first rapture recorded in the bible and thereafter "men began to call upon the Lord."
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[/size]The wicked who remain will flee to the end of the earth. The Millennium reign will be rolled out from Jerusalem, although His appearance is sudden and a worldwide event.
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Nice article Billy, but not Biblical

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2020, 09:08:21 am »
It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2020, 03:15:40 pm »
It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.

The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5) are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2020, 07:14:32 pm »
It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.

The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5) are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2020, 08:00:46 pm »
It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.

The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5) are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).

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Yet are not the Four Horsemen always active in the earth at different places and times?

Not according to the Word of GOD!

Yes, there are Wars and Rumors of WAR....in Mat 24, Luke 21 but the Horsemen are very specific at a very specific period of time and they are part of GOD's Wrath.



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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2020, 04:27:15 am »
It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.

The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5) are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).

Blade


We will not go through God's wrath, we will go through the great tribulation ... Tribulation comes from the word trouble, it is not from God it is from man.


When Jesus first came the bible says Herod was troubled and all Jerusalem with him. It is called the time of "Jacob's trouble"


Now Jacob's trouble was when he fled from Laban and was returning to his own land to face [he thought] the wrath of Esau.


You would be so much better drawing your prophecy from open scriptures than trying to figger out Revelations, or reading the likes of crooks like Schofield and Lindsey. Not that Revelations is wrong but no two people agree on what it says.


Jeremiah says of the time of Jacob's trouble in plain language easily understood  Israel will be SAFE and none shall make him afraid. Jeremiah 30. Like Jacob himself it will be a time of fear and trembling but just as Jacob was safe, guarded by angels, so will Israel be. 
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2020, 04:25:59 pm »
It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.

WOW!,, you really got it bad....SO SAD!

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The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5) are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).

Blade


We will not go through God's wrath, we will go through the great tribulation ... Tribulation comes from the word trouble, it is not from God it is from man.


When Jesus first came the bible says Herod was troubled and all Jerusalem with him. It is called the time of "Jacob's trouble"


Now Jacob's trouble was when he fled from Laban and was returning to his own land to face [he thought] the wrath of Esau.


You would be so much better drawing your prophecy from open scriptures than trying to figger out Revelations, or reading the likes of crooks like Schofield and Lindsey. Not that Revelations is wrong but no two people agree on what it says.


Jeremiah says of the time of Jacob's trouble in plain language easily understood  Israel will be SAFE and none shall make him afraid. Jeremiah 30. Like Jacob himself it will be a time of fear and trembling but just as Jacob was safe, guarded by angels, so will Israel be.
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2020, 05:09:38 pm »
The great end-time persecution stops when Jesus returns for the great persecutor will be slain and the devil locked up.


This is Paul's description of the Rapture.


"the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the clouds"


He doesn't say a thing about any left behind nor does any other scripture.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2020, 07:12:27 pm »
The great end-time persecution stops when Jesus returns for the great persecutor will be slain and the devil locked up.


This is Paul's description of the Rapture.


"the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the clouds"



He doesn't say a thing about any left behind nor does any other scripture.

Ah, you are using the Post Trib Rapture....It can be taken apart piece by piece, that is if by chance you read Rev. Literally.

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Read the gospels literally

Jesus said "after [that is post] the tribulation of those days .... they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of heaven ..."
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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2020, 06:14:35 pm »
The great end-time persecution stops when Jesus returns for the great persecutor will be slain and the devil locked up.


This is Paul's description of the Rapture.


"the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the clouds"


He doesn't say a thing about any left behind nor does any other scripture.


If you had been able to gather all the Jews in Germany together in 1930 and you had warned them of all that was about to befall them within the space of a very few years time they would not have believed you.


The church similarly is sleepwalking.


When the Great Persecution starts it will start suddenly, suddenly the most hated thing in the world to be will be to be a bible believing christian. The devil has been creeping up on the church for years, laying his trap, the trap will spring suddenly.


I believe a false prophet is to arise in Israel, doing great [pretended] signs and wonders and proclaiming the soon arrival of Messiah. The whole world will be amazed and will believe him. This will be the cause of the hatred poured upon the true church. The WHOLE church, the most prominent denominations will be the first to bear the brunt.
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Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2020, 06:58:21 pm »
The great end-time persecution stops when Jesus returns for the great persecutor will be slain and the devil locked up.


This is Paul's description of the Rapture.


"the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the clouds"


He doesn't say a thing about any left behind nor does any other scripture.


If you had been able to gather all the Jews in Germany together in 1930 and you had warned them of all that was about to befall them within the space of a very few years time they would not have believed you.


The church similarly is sleepwalking.


When the Great Persecution starts it will start suddenly, suddenly the most hated thing in the world to be will be to be a bible believing christian. The devil has been creeping up on the church for years, laying his trap, the trap will spring suddenly.


I believe a false prophet is to arise in Israel, doing great [pretended] signs and wonders and proclaiming the soon arrival of Messiah. The whole world will be amazed and will believe him. This will be the cause of the hatred poured upon the true church. The WHOLE church, the most prominent denominations will be the first to bear the brunt.

wow!
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The great end-time persecution stops when Jesus returns for the great persecutor will be slain and the devil locked up.


This is Paul's description of the Rapture.


"the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the clouds"



He doesn't say a thing about any left behind nor does any other scripture.

Ah, you are using the Post Trib Rapture....It can be taken apart piece by piece, that is if by chance you read Rev. Literally.

Blade

Read the gospels literally

Jesus said "after [that is post] the tribulation of those days .... they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of heaven ..."
Have faith in God
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