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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2019, 02:44:04 pm »
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Whether death in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is quick or slow; surely either way no one wants such a fate in their future. It would be better to avoid the lake altogether and take up residence in the new cosmos where everyone is immortal and enjoying life to the fullest in a world where there is neither war, nor crime, nor poverty, nor hate, discontent, nor sickness.

The first death is mandatory, but not the second; there's a God-given way for people to get out of it that requires no merit on their part.

2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them.
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In other words: when God makes peace with a sinner, He stops building an indictment against them and the previous indictment is thrown out; or rather I should say: it's resolved by means of Christ's crucifixion.

Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1John 2:2 . . He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 113 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,883,508 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2019, 10:31:25 pm »
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Whether death in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is quick or slow; surely either way no one wants such a fate in their future. It would be better to avoid the lake altogether and take up residence in the new cosmos where everyone is immortal and enjoying life to the fullest in a world where there is neither war, nor crime, nor poverty, nor hate, discontent, nor sickness.

The first death is mandatory, but not the second; there's a God-given way for people to get out of it that requires no merit on their part.

2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them.
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In other words: when God makes peace with a sinner, He stops building an indictment against them and the previous indictment is thrown out; or rather I should say: it's resolved by means of Christ's crucifixion.

Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1John 2:2 . . He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 113 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,883,508 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Ole TImer...You sent this mail to me and I thought it was appropriate for others to see.

Ole Timersaid:".

Women are not a protected species. There are just as many, if not more, women in hell as men. God is not biased.

I don't know how old you are Bladerunner, nor the condition of your health; but I suggest using what time you have remaining to prepare yourself for the worst when you pass on to the other side."


It is so sad, that your heart seems to be that hard......

Blade



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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2019, 10:46:24 pm »
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Whether death in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is quick or slow; surely either way no one wants such a fate in their future. It would be better to avoid the lake altogether and take up residence in the new cosmos where everyone is immortal and enjoying life to the fullest in a world where there is neither war, nor crime, nor poverty, nor hate, discontent, nor sickness.

The first death is mandatory, but not the second; there's a God-given way for people to get out of it that requires no merit on their part.

2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them.
 .
In other words: when God makes peace with a sinner, He stops building an indictment against them and the previous indictment is thrown out; or rather I should say: it's resolved by means of Christ's crucifixion.

Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1John 2:2 . . He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 113 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,883,508 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Ole TImer...You sent this mail to me and I thought it was appropriate for others to see.

Ole Timersaid:".

Women are not a protected species. There are just as many, if not more, women in hell as men. God is not biased.

I don't know how old you are Bladerunner, nor the condition of your health; but I suggest using what time you have remaining to prepare yourself for the worst when you pass on to the other side."


It is so sad, that your heart seems to be that hard......

Blade



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There will be many who do not die the first death. 1 thes 4:16-17

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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #68 on: January 17, 2019, 08:26:09 am »
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● Luke 16:24-26 . . Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame. But Abraham said: Between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.

The Greek word for "great chasm" refers to a nondescript space, viz: a gap, without really specifying width, depth, or design. The distance across can't be too much otherwise Abraham and the rich man would've had trouble hearing and understanding one another's speech. Apparently translators assumed the gap was large so they added the word "great". It seems far more likely to me that the chasm Abraham spoke of is a sort of crevasse just wide enough to prevent pedestrian traffic and deep enough to discourage attempts.

Anyway, point being: I'm heaven-bound; but I'm not so sure about many of my friends, relatives, and associates. If they fail to make the cut, I'm crossing my fingers that there will be some way that I can contact them in the afterlife after we've all passed on. It disturbs me to think there's a possibility I might not be allowed to see any of them ever again until the day of our final good-byes during the event planned for Rev 20:11-15.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 115 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,005,340 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #69 on: January 17, 2019, 10:33:40 am »
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● Luke 16:24-26 . . Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame. But Abraham said: Between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.

The Greek word for "great chasm" refers to a nondescript space, viz: a gap, without really specifying width, depth, or design. The distance across can't be too much otherwise Abraham and the rich man would've had trouble hearing and understanding one another's speech. Apparently translators assumed the gap was large so they added the word "great". It seems far more likely to me that the chasm Abraham spoke of is a sort of crevasse just wide enough to prevent pedestrian traffic and deep enough to discourage attempts.

Anyway, point being: I'm heaven-bound; but I'm not so sure about many of my friends, relatives, and associates. If they fail to make the cut, I'm crossing my fingers that there will be some way that I can contact them in the afterlife after we've all passed on. It disturbs me to think there's a possibility I might not be allowed to see any of them ever again until the day of our final good-byes during the event planned for Rev 20:11-15.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 115 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,005,340 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Ole Timer....,you said:" until the day of our final good-byes during the event planned for Rev 20:11-15"

Do you plan on being in that last group to be judged by Jesus. Just for the record, I am not going to be there as I follow the WORD of GOD. According to the WORD of GOD, the Church (Bride of Christ) is long in Heaven in translated Bodies, already judged for their works after having been saved in the BEMA SEAT Judgement.

LIKE the ROC, are you saying we can converse with the dead?????? The dead in Jesus (His Bride) are in Heaven in a special place awaiting the Harpozo (Rapture) to take place where they will be reunited with their bodies that are still on earth in graves. Do you not believe in that???

Rev 20:11-15 is for those unbelievers and those that are to be judged on their works.   

According to you, just what do we all need to do to get to heaven???????? Be specific now so we know where your position is.

Thank You Sir:

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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2019, 04:22:54 pm »
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During the 16th century, an Italian man named Niccolò Machiavelli wrote a political treatise titled The Prince. It's main theme is how to get power, and once you've got it; how to keep it.

The book's instructions apply to all forms of power whether in business, in government, the military, the mafioso, school boards, investment banking, and even religion and church management practices.

You might be surprised at the number and variety of famous, respectable people who've been influenced by The Prince, not only in the past, but right up to the very present. Machiavelli's book, like Sun Tzu's book The Art Of War, is timeless.

However; there's a hitch. Machiavelli's ideas work best when employed by monsters, i.e. sociopaths: because it's necessary to sacrifice integrity and conscience to make them work; i.e. it's necessary to become cruel, inhumane, and thoroughly indifferent to the principles of trust and honesty.

The word "Machiavellian" is in Webster's defined as: marked by cunning, duplicity, or bad faith, i.e. not guided by, or showing a concern for, what is right in respect to social norms and acceptable behavior.

In other words: it's not what's right that counts with Machiavellian personalities; it's what works, viz: they practice a sort of moral flexibility.

The Bible describes heaven as a place of peace. I think it goes without saying that Machiavellian personalities are not allowed there. For one, they would make heaven unbearable for the decent folk. For another, they would not fit in. And for another, their way of life would just end up turning heaven into another world like the one we're already living in.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 117 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,127,172 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2019, 01:13:02 pm »
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The apostle Paul expended quite a bit of time, energy, and writer's ink persuading Christ's believing followers that it's impossible to obtain heaven by means of compliance with the Ten Commandments. He didn't succeed; not with everyone. People still refused to believe him even though he claimed to have received his information straight from the horse's mouth.

Gal 1:11-13 . . For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

However, though it is impossible to obtain heaven by means of compliance with the Ten Commandments, it is essential to comply with them in order to stay in heaven; not just the Ten only, but all of God's commandments. And one's compliance cannot be spotty, it has to be consistent.

So; what's the secret to this apparent Catch-22?

The secret is found in a promise that God made to His people back in the Old Testament.

Ezek 36:26-27 . . I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit into you: I will remove the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender heart; and I will put My spirit into you. Thus I will cause you to follow My laws and faithfully to observe My rules.

An "heart of flesh" would normally be regarded in modern Sunday school classes as a bad thing. Here in Ezekiel, flesh is juxtaposed with stone to indicate that God is talking about tenderness, gentleness, kindness, empathy, sensitivity, compassion, and deep affection; i.e. the warm, softer emotions.

A heart of stone is cold and dead, like those massive granite monoliths in Yosemite Valley. They feel not the slightest pity for climbers who lose their grip and fall. Nope, those big rocks just go on like nothing ever happened; silent, indifferent, unconcerned, non grieving, non compassionate, and unsympathetic; i.e. they feel nothing: nothing at all.

Bottom line: Seeing as how love is essential to proper compliance with the Ten Commandments; then the thoughtless, the callous, and the insensitive would be shut out of heaven forever and ever were it not for Ezek 36:26-27.

Watch as I deliberately paraphrase the following passages. Though the texts aren't verbatim quotes from the Bible; the message they convey is spot-on.

"I assure you: unless the inhumane are born again, they can never see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

"Don't be surprised at my statement that people lacking the milk of human kindness must undergo a birth performed by the hand of God." (John 3:7)

Note that the birth performed by the hand of God, about which Jesus spoke, isn't optional; it's a must.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 119 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,249,004 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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« Last Edit: January 21, 2019, 01:26:11 pm by Olde Tymer »

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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2019, 12:37:41 pm »
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Lev 24:10-12 . . And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp; and the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of The Lord, and cursed.

. . . And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan) And they put him in ward, that the mind of The Lord might be showed them.

That incident is a pretty good illustration of the current purpose of the fiery sector of hades. It's a place to hold people till the day when the mind of the Lord will be shown concerning them.

Rev 20:13. . Death and hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.


NOTE: Rev 20:13 is a record of things that the apostle John saw in the future; which means they're on the way, and only a matter of time now when they'll be seen in the present by everyone.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 121 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,370,836 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2019, 11:40:49 am »
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Rev 20:11-15 is commonly thought to be where everybody, the good and the bad, stand before God to determine their future.

But according to the text; only the dead will be called to account at the great white throne event. In point of fact; the dead are mentioned four times while the living aren't mentioned even once.

Not everyone alive is among the living. According to John 5:24, the living are defined as people who have eternal life. The dead, then, would be defined as people who don't have eternal life.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 123 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,492,668 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #74 on: January 25, 2019, 11:46:48 pm »
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The apostle Paul expended quite a bit of time, energy, and writer's ink persuading Christ's believing followers that it's impossible to obtain heaven by means of compliance with the Ten Commandments. He didn't succeed; not with everyone. People still refused to believe him even though he claimed to have received his information straight from the horse's mouth.

Gal 1:11-13 . . For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

However, though it is impossible to obtain heaven by means of compliance with the Ten Commandments, it is essential to comply with them in order to stay in heaven; not just the Ten only, but all of God's commandments. And one's compliance cannot be spotty, it has to be consistent.

So; what's the secret to this apparent Catch-22?

The secret is found in a promise that God made to His people back in the Old Testament.

Ezek 36:26-27 . . I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit into you: I will remove the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender heart; and I will put My spirit into you. Thus I will cause you to follow My laws and faithfully to observe My rules.

An "heart of flesh" would normally be regarded in modern Sunday school classes as a bad thing. Here in Ezekiel, flesh is juxtaposed with stone to indicate that God is talking about tenderness, gentleness, kindness, empathy, sensitivity, compassion, and deep affection; i.e. the warm, softer emotions.

A heart of stone is cold and dead, like those massive granite monoliths in Yosemite Valley. They feel not the slightest pity for climbers who lose their grip and fall. Nope, those big rocks just go on like nothing ever happened; silent, indifferent, unconcerned, non grieving, non compassionate, and unsympathetic; i.e. they feel nothing: nothing at all.

Bottom line: Seeing as how love is essential to proper compliance with the Ten Commandments; then the thoughtless, the callous, and the insensitive would be shut out of heaven forever and ever were it not for Ezek 36:26-27.

Watch as I deliberately paraphrase the following passages. Though the texts aren't verbatim quotes from the Bible; the message they convey is spot-on.

"I assure you: unless the inhumane are born again, they can never see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

"Don't be surprised at my statement that people lacking the milk of human kindness must undergo a birth performed by the hand of God." (John 3:7)

Note that the birth performed by the hand of God, about which Jesus spoke, isn't optional; it's a must.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 119 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,249,004 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Have you considered that part of what you are saying is under the New Covenant with Israel?  Ezek 36:26-27

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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2019, 01:37:35 pm »
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Jesus Christ had some pretty astounding capabilities. He could beef up withered limbs, cure cripples, cleanse leprosy, stop chronic bleeding, cure blindness, multiply food stuffs, calm storms, exorcise demons, restore dead people to life, and protect people from the wraith of God, etc.

In my estimation, a man who can do all that can just as easily do it in reverse; viz: wither people's limbs, cripple their legs, smite people with leprosy, make them bleed, cause them to go blind, cause famine, stir up storms, open people to demon possession and/or just outright assassinate them, and condemn them to hell; etc.

So, I'm sometimes curious why Christ's enemies weren't more afraid of him.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 125 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,614,500 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2019, 09:43:03 am »
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I was brought up a Catholic youth. The extent of my Catechism classes was pretty elementary. They didn't inform me that Jesus Christ was returning some day to rule the world, so it wasn't till I was around 24 years old when a Protestant man asked me if I was ready for the Lord coming back.

Well; at first the man's question puzzled me because i wasn't aware of that aspect of the Earth's future. But then right away I became alarmed because I instinctively knew that if I had to face Christ, the outcome would not be favorable as I had a lot to answer for. I learned later that my instincts were right.

"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matt 13:40-42)


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 127 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,736,332 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2019, 01:32:45 pm »
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I was brought up a Catholic youth. The extent of my Catechism classes was pretty elementary. They didn't inform me that Jesus Christ was returning some day to rule the world, so it wasn't till I was around 24 years old when a Protestant man asked me if I was ready for the Lord coming back.

Well; at first the man's question puzzled me because i wasn't aware of that aspect of the Earth's future. But then right away I became alarmed because I instinctively knew that if I had to face Christ, the outcome would not be favorable as I had a lot to answer for. I learned later that my instincts were right.

"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matt 13:40-42)


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 127 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,736,332 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Thinking of hell can lead to better behavior no doubt. I was Catholic too and asked my Nun Teacher if I was on my way to Confession and was hit by a car and killed in front of the church would I be forgiven? She said "No, you go to hell." I will never forget that.




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