Author Topic: Hell's Population Clock (Read 7680 times)

Olde Tymer · « **Reply #52 on:** December 26, 2018, 10:10:57 am »

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Many years ago-- when I was a young single guy in his early twenties, living alone in a cheap rental --as I was listening to a radio preacher talk about hell, something in my mind took over; and I had the strangest sensation of falling off the earth into an abyss and nobody cared, nor did anybody miss me, nor did my disappearance cause any alarm nor make any difference.

The freeways remained busy with frustrated drivers and honking horns, people still got up to go to work, shoppers crowded the supermarkets and department stores, kids caught their buses to school, birds kept right on chirping, grass kept on growing, ocean waves went on rolling onto the beach, trains kept running, airlines kept flying, clouds moved across the sky; and all that.

My absence changed nothing nor disturbed anyone nor anything. The world was utterly indifferent; it kept right on turning, clocks went on ticking; and nature and man went right on with their business as usual without the slightest hiccup. At that moment I realized just how alone and how obscure people must feel when they exhale their final breath and cross over to the other side.

Back in March of 2015, Andrew Getty, an heir to J. Paul Getty's oil fortune, died at the age of 47. In life, Andrew had many friends. You know how many accompanied him on his journey across the river Styx? Nary a one.

You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
You gotta walk it by yourself,
Nobody here can walk it for you,
You gotta walk it by yourself.
(Woody Guthrie)

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 93 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,665,188 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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guest8 · « **Reply #53 on:** December 26, 2018, 11:26:12 pm »

Quote from: Olde Tymer on December 26, 2018, 10:10:57 am

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Many years ago-- when I was a young single guy in his early twenties, living alone in a cheap rental --as I was listening to a radio preacher talk about hell, something in my mind took over; and I had the strangest sensation of falling off the earth into an abyss and nobody cared, nor did anybody miss me, nor did my disappearance cause any alarm nor make any difference.

The freeways remained busy with frustrated drivers and honking horns, people still got up to go to work, shoppers crowded the supermarkets and department stores, kids caught their buses to school, birds kept right on chirping, grass kept on growing, ocean waves went on rolling onto the beach, trains kept running, airlines kept flying, clouds moved across the sky; and all that.

My absence changed nothing nor disturbed anyone nor anything. The world was utterly indifferent; it kept right on turning, clocks went on ticking; and nature and man went right on with their business as usual without the slightest hiccup. At that moment I realized just how alone and how obscure people must feel when they exhale their final breath and cross over to the other side.

Back in March of 2015, Andrew Getty, an heir to J. Paul Getty's oil fortune, died at the age of 47. In life, Andrew had many friends. You know how many accompanied him on his journey across the river Styx? Nary a one.

You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
You gotta walk it by yourself,
Nobody here can walk it for you,
You gotta walk it by yourself.
(Woody Guthrie)

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 93 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,665,188 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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I disagree Ole Timer..You said:
You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
You gotta walk it by yourself,
Nobody here can walk it for you,
You gotta walk it by yourself.
(Woody Guthrie)"

One always has someone to talk to, someone to cry to, someone to tell their sad stories and someone who will bring you up from the very lows you have fallen to. The Holy Spirit is who I speak of and to get HIM there is another to believe and have faith in first. Jesus Christ (1 Cor 15:1-4)

Blade

Olde Tymer · « **Reply #54 on:** December 28, 2018, 08:00:22 am »

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When people waken at night within a burning home, and the hallways are obscured by smoke and fire: at that moment, all things-- appointments, charge card balances, student debt, retirement, the glass ceiling, GMO, women's rights, LGBT marriage, Obama care, abortion, water on Mars, illegal immigration, Hillary's emails, President Trump's wall, #MeToo, ISIS, Kim Jong-un, Carrington events, the San Andreas fault, Dow-Jones, Dancing With The Stars, who's at fault for Benghazi, or who's playing in the Super Bowl; whatever --pale in comparison to the importance of finding a way out before it's too late.

In the face of imminent death; with the flames of hell already licking around your naked legs; it's at a time like that when you'd better hope to God that your spiritual leaders haven't steered you down the wrong road because there will be neither time nor opportunity to seek a second opinion.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 95 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,787,020 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #55 on:** December 30, 2018, 01:01:01 pm »

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● Gen 6:5 . .And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

It's freaky to contemplate that the Bible's God has a way to eavesdrop on one's mental processes on a level with which we are mostly unfamiliar.

● Matt 15:18-19 . . For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts

So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's how your heart works that defines you; and a man's heart is easily capable of hoodwinking his own consciousness.

● Jer 17:9 . . The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?

There is a part of us that psychology labels the subconscious; which in Freud's opinion is a repository for socially unacceptable ideas, wishes or desires, traumatic memories, and painful emotions put out of mind by the mechanism of psychological repression. However, the contents do not necessarily have to be solely negative.

In the psychoanalytic view, the subconscious is a force that can only be recognized by its effects-- in other words: your mind's thoughts can be construed not as replicas of your hearts thoughts; but rather, as symptoms of your heart's thoughts.

The key word in the above is repression. God is able to de-suppress those repressed contents and submit them as evidence in the prosecution's case against the accused. That means He will be confronting people with things that they never before really knew about themselves; and that's why I sometimes say only a fool would take their chances with the Bible's God. They have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're walking into.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 97 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,908,852 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #56 on:** January 01, 2019, 09:44:34 am »

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● Luke 12:15-20 . . A man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. And he told them this parable:

. . .The ground of a certain rich man produced a good crop. He thought to himself: What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops. Then he said: This is what I'll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I'll say to myself; You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.

. . . But God said to him: You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?

That is one of the futilities of success in this world. Everybody knows it, but moguls like Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, Phil Knight, Paul Allen, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet et al never seem to take it to heart until they've got one foot in the grave.

I once heard a story about a very wealthy man who died. His surviving relatives were all called to the reading of the man's will while the media waited outside. When the reading was over, the media asked the man's kin how much he left. They replied: He left it all.

Yes, of course he left it all; even the clothing he wore to his own funeral.

The paintings of Gustave Doré, illustrating portions of Dante's Inferno, depict lost souls 100% stark naked-- clothed with nary a stitch --as they should be because no doubt they are.

The Beetles once complained in song: Money can't buy me love. Well; it couldn't buy them time either-- John is gone, and so is George.

● Ecc 2:14-16 . .The wise man has eyes in his head, while the fool walks in the darkness; but I came to realize that the same fate overtakes them both.

. . .Then I thought in my heart: The fate of the fool will overtake me also. What then do I gain by being wise? For the wise man, like the fool, will not be long remembered; in days to come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the wise man too must die.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 99 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,030,684 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #57 on:** January 03, 2019, 12:35:18 pm »

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According to Siddhartha Gautama, the inventor of Buddhism, there is no personal "soul" that continues to exist beyond the demise of one's organic body; ergo: one's original self no longer exists after death.

Q: So then in Buddhist rebirth; what is reborn if not the person?

A: Buddhist rebirth is not a resurrection, rather, a reincarnation; viz: a rearrangement of the karmic matter that was once a particular individual. The complete teaching is a bit complex but in a nutshell, Buddhists can expect to return as either gods, asuras, hungry ghosts, hell beings, animals, and/or humans.

In addition: reincarnation doesn't stop with one event; but is potentially a cycle of birth, misery, and death called samsara.

Christianity allots but one physical return per person (Dan 12:2, John 5:29, Rev 20:5-6). So then, those who undergo a second death in the reservoir of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 won't be coming back for a do-over because they will have used up their one allotted resurrection in order to face justice at the Great White Throne.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 101 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,152,516 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #58 on:** January 05, 2019, 08:27:59 pm »

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POSIT: Since God created us the way we are; then He is ultimately responsible for our conduct.

RESPONSE: Some years ago I went into a music store in San Diego and noticed that one of the store's glass display cases contained a rather large variety of curious bottles. So I asked the clerk what they were. He said they were bongs. You mean for smoking dope? I asked. He replied: Yes; that is their purpose. So I responded: But isn't dope illegal? He replied: Yes, dope is illegal, however we don't sell dope; we only sell the means to smoke it. You see; the responsibility for smoking dope was on the end-users of bongs rather than upon the sellers of bongs.

In a similar incident, I went into an electronics store to purchase a mobile CB radio and noticed an array of devices in the display case that I didn't recognize. The clerk told me they were linear amplifiers; which, he said, are devices for boosting a standard 5-watt CB's signal strength. I asked the clerk if that was legal. He said no, it isn't legal to boost the standard signal. However, he said: it isn't illegal to own equipment with the capability to do so. In other words; the law placed the responsibility for boosting CB signals on the end-user of linear amplifiers rather than the sellers of linear amplifiers.

What I'm getting at is: God created humanity with the capability to make bad choices. But at the same time, He created humanity with the capability to make good choices too. In the incident involving the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; Adam chose poorly. Does it make sense to blame God for Adam's choice? No; he was fully advised of both the ban and the consequence.

But you see: so-called "product liability" is a convenient way of blaming others for our own failings. In other words: product liability's proponents insist that the availability of things like forbidden fruit, bongs, and linear amplifiers constitutes enablement. So these days instead of saying "The devil made me do it; therefore my conduct is his fault" now people say "I was provided the means to do it; therefore my conduct is the provider's fault."

Many of the liquid products we have under our sinks and out in the garage are toxic; so manufacturers put warning labels on them. Now; placing those products for sale to the public constitutes enablement, but they're assuming you're intelligent enough to read the warning labels they put on the containers. If you ignore the warning labels; it's your own fault for being stupid.

A smart man won't test the limits, nor push his luck, nor tempt fate; viz: he won't eat forbidden fruit, smoke dope, boost his CB radio's output above the legal limits, or swallow toilet bowl cleaner and Prestone engine coolant just because those toxic products are available.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 103 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,274,348 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #59 on:** January 07, 2019, 10:35:39 am »

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● Rev 20:11-15 . . I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

According to Rev 20:10, the lake of fire consists of brimstone; defined by Webster's as sulfur; which liquifies at around 239.38° F and boils at around 832.3° F.

Molten sulfur assumes a dark red color at around 392° F which, in all likelihood, enhances the lake's fiery appearance.

Q: What if people's execution in the brimstone isn't quick? I mean: the day of Adam's death began the moment he tasted the forbidden fruit; yet he continued to survive outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth. (Gen 5:4)

A: That is a distinct possibility.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 105 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,396,180 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #60 on:** January 09, 2019, 10:52:13 am »

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Q: At Matt 16:18, Jesus said: "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." What is the meaning of that verse?

A: Basically it's saying that should one of Christ's true believing followers slip through a crack and end up in the wrong place, they will be able to stroll right on out of there like a tourist in Paris; likely guided on their journey by a celestial being, maybe similar to Peter's experience when he escaped jail in Acts 12:3-11.

I should point out that if any one particular church were the "my church" that Christ spoke of in Matt 16:18, then none of its members-- not one --would end up in hell; but I suspect that all churches, regardless of their denominational affiliation, expect to lose a number of their followers to an uncertain fate; which reminds me of a line from the movie AVATAR spoken by Colonel Miles Quaritch, played by Stephen Lang, that goes like this:

It is my job to keep you alive.
I will not succeed . . not with all of you.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 107 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,518,012 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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guest8 · « **Reply #61 on:** January 10, 2019, 10:14:16 pm »

Quote from: Olde Tymer on January 09, 2019, 10:52:13 am

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Q: At Matt 16:18, Jesus said: "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." What is the meaning of that verse?

A: Basically it's saying that should one of Christ's true believing followers slip through a crack and end up in the wrong place, they will be able to stroll right on out of there like a tourist in Paris; likely guided on their journey by a celestial being, maybe similar to Peter's experience when he escaped jail in Acts 12:3-11.

I should point out that if any one particular church were the "my church" that Christ spoke of in Matt 16:18, then none of its members-- not one --would end up in hell; but I suspect that all churches, regardless of their denominational affiliation, expect to lose a number of their followers to an uncertain fate; which reminds me of a line from the movie AVATAR spoken by Colonel Miles Quaritch, played by Stephen Lang, that goes like this:

It is my job to keep you alive.
I will not succeed . . not with all of you.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 107 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,518,012 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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This was Jesus telling Peter that HE will build His Church upon this ROCK (in the Name of Jesus Christ).

No, Peter's name meant STONE

Blade

Olde Tymer · « **Reply #62 on:** January 11, 2019, 09:06:28 am »

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I once heard of a preacher asked by a young member of his congregation what he would have to do bad enough to wind up in hell.

The preacher answered: You don't have to do anything particularly bad to go to hell; no, just bide your time and you'll wind up there without even trying because hell is the default.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 109 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,639,844 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #63 on:** January 13, 2019, 10:01:25 am »

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There's been a quite a bit of flap in the media of late about a gender issue called misogyny-- defined by Webster's as hatred of women --while very little flap about misandry; defined by Webster's as hatred of men.

In the end, it will be a man who casts women with gender-related anger into the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 and permanently ruins any chances they might have had for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned man haters will grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives.

● John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

● Acts 17:31 . . God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed

NOTE: Misandry and feminism aren't joined at the hip; viz: not all feminists hate men. Classical feminism is typically peaceful, objective, and political while misandry is typically malicious, emotional, and personal; i.e. classical feminism is typically persuasive and diplomatic, while misandry is typically demanding, hostile, implacable, and unreasonable. Classical feminism seeks equality with men, while misandry seeks to destroy men.

Seeing as how heaven is a place of peace, then bitter people seething with unresolved gender issues cannot be allowed there because they would turn heaven into a world of hatred, complaining, quarreling, and discontent like they've made the Earth.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 111 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,761,676 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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guest8 · « **Reply #64 on:** January 13, 2019, 08:27:59 pm »

Quote from: Olde Tymer on January 13, 2019, 10:01:25 am

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There's been a quite a bit of flap in the media of late about a gender issue called misogyny-- defined by Webster's as hatred of women --while very little flap about misandry; defined by Webster's as hatred of men.

In the end, it will be a man who casts women with gender-related anger into the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 and permanently ruins any chances they might have had for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned man haters will grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives.

● John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

● Acts 17:31 . . God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed

NOTE: Misandry and feminism aren't joined at the hip; viz: not all feminists hate men. Classical feminism is typically peaceful, objective, and political while misandry is typically malicious, emotional, and personal; i.e. classical feminism is typically persuasive and diplomatic, while misandry is typically demanding, hostile, implacable, and unreasonable. Classical feminism seeks equality with men, while misandry seeks to destroy men.

Seeing as how heaven is a place of peace, then bitter people seething with unresolved gender issues cannot be allowed there because they would turn heaven into a world of hatred, complaining, quarreling, and discontent like they've made the Earth.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 111 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,761,676 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer.....tell me you are not preaching this garbage:"In the end, it will be a man who casts women with gender-related anger into the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 and permanently ruins any chances they might have had for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned man haters will grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives."

I would suggest staying with scripture and letting GOD decide who HE wants to throw into the Lake of Fire.

Blade

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