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Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« on: February 09, 2019, 09:28:14 pm »
In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following:

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our earth, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 .... Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like the present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19

This Earth, the Earth of Adam, was FLAT. It's highest point is only about 22 1/2 feet above sea level, Gen 7:20 ....  while our earth’ highest elevation is some 29k ft. above sea level in comparison. Their entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while our present World has thousands of Rivers all over the face of the earth, indicating it was much much smaller than our Earth.

During the Great Flood, Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20. On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day?
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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2019, 09:35:41 pm »
In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following:

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our earth, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 .... Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like the present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19

This Earth, the Earth of Adam, was FLAT. It's highest point is only about 22 1/2 feet above sea level, Gen 7:20 ....  while our earth’ highest elevation is some 29k ft. above sea level in comparison. Their entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while our present World has thousands of Rivers all over the face of the earth, indicating it was much much smaller than our Earth.

During the Great Flood, Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20. On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day?

I disagree with most of that. The earth wasn't smaller and it's still huge and flat. There was no new earth after the flood.




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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2019, 01:47:42 am »
As I have posted previously…. Adam's world was FLAT and much smaller than our present world. It's highest point is only about 22 1/2 feet above sea level, Gen 7:20 while our earth’ highest elevation is some 29k ft. above sea level in comparison. Their entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while the present World has thousands of Rivers all over the face of the earth, indicating it was much much smaller than our Earth.

Adam’s firmament of heaven was placed in the vicinity beneath the body of waters in Lake Van, Turkey. It was in a completely enclosed Biosphere - protecting Adam's world from waters below and above it - like an incubator of Humanity.

Here are some model images of Ancient Hebrew Perspective of Flat Earth - simili - for reference only - Adam's firmament of heaven - surrounded by waters below and above it - see link below....

https://www.pinterest.ph/pin/113715959316206919/

Adam’s world was contained beneath the surface of Lake Van, Turkey were it was placed in the beginning during the making of our worlds.

During the great flood, Noah’ Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft.). The firmament, in which Adam's Earth was contained -- end up floating in Lake Van, Turkey, the largest Lake in Turkey. It's in the mountains of Ararat and is some 75 miles wide.

We know this because In the New Testament, we were told that their heaven and earth.... “ Whereby that the world THEN WAS -- standing out of the water and in the water -- being overflowed with water, perished” (Greek- totally destroyed) 2Pet 3:5-6

The Ark which was covered, floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area (Lake Van) when the windows of their heaven opened and the flood gates of waters rushes in the firmament,.... as the firmament sank and released the Ark into our world , thus, Adam’s world was totally destroyed / dissolved in the Global Flood. If it sounds like Atlantis, so be it.

This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft) ref. Gen 7:20 ...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began (Gen 8:4).

Our God is awesome God.
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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2019, 02:34:24 am »
Here is what the story of the Tower of Babel teaches:

Again, when the rain came to the world of Adam, the firmament, which protected the first world from the waters which surround it, began to sink. The Ark, which was already upon the water began to rise as the firmament sank. This released the Ark into ANOTHER world - to our present world.

This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft) ref. Gen 7:20 ...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began (Gen 8:4).

Noah’s descendants thought they could build a tower to Heaven and escape the present Earth, like Noah had escaped from the first Earth. They didn't want to be scattered over the face of the whole Earth, into the lands of the Savages (prehistoric people), so they tried to escape our world, but the LORD had other plans.

Thus, was Humanity scattered over the face of the present Earth and the prehistoric people changed from innocent animal to Human intelligence. This shows that Humans did NOT evolve from Apes, but from Noah's descendants.

Our God is an Awesome God and His Holy Word is the Truth, in every way. It's a mystery to those who have not been born again Spiritually.

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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2019, 06:11:02 pm »
Here is what the story of the Tower of Babel teaches:

Again, when the rain came to the world of Adam, the firmament, which protected the first world from the waters which surround it, began to sink. The Ark, which was already upon the water began to rise as the firmament sank. This released the Ark into ANOTHER world - to our present world.

This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft) ref. Gen 7:20 ...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began (Gen 8:4).

Noah’s descendants thought they could build a tower to Heaven and escape the present Earth, like Noah had escaped from the first Earth. They didn't want to be scattered over the face of the whole Earth, into the lands of the Savages (prehistoric people), so they tried to escape our world, but the LORD had other plans.

Thus, was Humanity scattered over the face of the present Earth and the prehistoric people changed from innocent animal to Human intelligence. This shows that Humans did NOT evolve from Apes, but from Noah's descendants.

Our God is an Awesome God and His Holy Word is the Truth, in every way. It's a mystery to those who have not been born again Spiritually.

Amen


Whose exotic renderings of Noah's Flood have you been reading???? They do have you out there in left field... way back in left field.

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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2019, 06:46:52 pm »
Hello Blade,

Either debate or run..... but, please, stop projecting your own weaknesses on me by harping from afar.

It's very embarrassing to your own reputation as an Administrator of this website forum! It's a shame, isn't it?

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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2019, 08:48:56 pm »
Hello Blade,

Either debate or run..... but, please, stop projecting your own weaknesses on me by harping from afar.

It's very embarrassing to your own reputation as an Administrator of this website forum! It's a shame, isn't it?

Have a good day.

I don't get in the outfield. Its not Biblical and is too far out there. If you want to debate ok but please keep it Biblical. Your mystic or scientific meanderings mean nothing are so far off, they mean nothing.

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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2019, 12:53:12 am »
Noah’s Flood:

The idea that Noah brought thousands of animals in the Ark is UnScriptural. The total number easily could have been few hundreds of creatures.

There was no need to bring creatures which were created from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 since those same kinds of creatures; animals; and fowls of the air (Their Kinds - Trinity) were also brought forth on our present Planet and had been here for Billions of years Before the Ark arrived and floated in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat (Lake Van. Turkey) some 10k years ago.

The creatures; animals and fowls of the air which were aboard the Ark were the ones which Jesus, the Son, made with His own Hands (His Kinds)- like a potter would mold a clay - on the  6th Day. . Science calls them common ancestors. The common ancestor of All Humanity on this present planet of ours was a direct descendant of Adam - the first Human - his name was Noah.

Humans were scattered all over the face of the Earth from Babel which was built by the son of one of Noah's grandsons, Cush. Gen 10:10 Science agrees and Human civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival some 10k years ago just south of Mt. Ararat.

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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2019, 04:01:45 am »
Dear Readers,

Genesis 1:21 tells us that EVERY living creature that moveth was created from the water on Day 5. Science, after thousands of years, finally agrees that, all living creatures/species including the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) originated from the water.

Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo.

They are ignorant of the fact that God, CREATED or brought forth every Living Creature that moved, from the water (Their Kinds = Trinity), on Day 5.

The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust of the ground (His Kinds = Son’), on the 6th Day, is when YHWH, the Son, squeezed, as a potter would mold clay, and Formed living creatures from the dust of the ground.

The creatures MADE from the dust were identical to those brought forth from the water, and could produce offspring together. (Gen 6)

The first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was physically MADE from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day…. before the plants and herbs, right after the mist that watered the whole face of the ground. Gen 2:4-7  This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.

Like the animals made from the dust, Man also married and produced children with Prehistoric Mankind brought forth from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this present Planet... after their world was completely destroyed by the flood and brought to this present world of ours.. This event took place some 10K + - years ago. Human Civilization was born. 

We have the DNA of the sons of God"(Prehistoric Mankind) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor and his name is Adam.

God, the Trinity, created every living creature that moveth, from the water, on the 5th Day, and YHWH, the Son, produced His Kinds from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day.

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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2019, 05:45:03 am »
Dear Readers,

God also tells us HOW and WHEN the prehistoric people on our present Earth inherited the Human intelligence which is unique to Adam and his descendants. God calls prehistoric people whose origin was in the water on Day 5, is called the sons of God. Gen 1:21

The sons of God (prehistoric people) married and produced the Humans on the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. Genesis 4 tells us that Cain married and produced Enoch, his son, with a woman who could ONLY have brought forth from the water, as God told us in Gen 1:21. 

Today's Science confirms that EVERY living creature MUST have water to live since EVERY cell in our body would die without it. No Ancient Man could have possibly known this.

Read it for yourself:

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Heb-Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The giants were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution, showing that Human intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

The fulfillment of the prophecy of "and also after that" was fulfilled when Noah brought the human intelligence of Adam to Northern Mesopotamia in the mountains of Ararat. This happened some 10k years ago and the FIRST human cities and the FIRST agriculture, and the ONLY Human civilization on our Earth, PROVES it. 

SUDDENLY, the sons of God, (prehistoric people) evolved the Human intelligence of Adam and changed from animal to Human intelligence. Prehistoric man settled down, built houses, cities, and developed math and writing, proving that anything is possible IF you have the intelligence of the first Human, Adam. Below is the empirical record of the arrival of the first Humans on this Earth:

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE.... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/fertilemap.html

In less than 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from Chimps, on this Planet, they went from Caves to the Moon and back, and yet Evolutionists seem to be totally ignorant of this Fact. Humans also inherited the ERVs of the common ancestor of Chimps BUT Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, but from our own common ancestor whose name is Adam.

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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2019, 12:34:53 pm »
Dear Readers,

God also tells us HOW and WHEN the prehistoric people on our present Earth inherited the Human intelligence which is unique to Adam and his descendants. God calls prehistoric people whose origin was in the water on Day 5, is called the sons of God. Gen 1:21

The sons of God (prehistoric people) married and produced the Humans on the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. Genesis 4 tells us that Cain married and produced Enoch, his son, with a woman who could ONLY have brought forth from the water, as God told us in Gen 1:21.

Today's Science confirms that EVERY living creature MUST have water to live since EVERY cell in our body would die without it. No Ancient Man could have possibly known this.

Read it for yourself:

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Heb-Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The giants were giants intellectually as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution, showing that Human intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

The fulfillment of the prophecy of "and also after that" was fulfilled when Noah brought the human intelligence of Adam to Northern Mesopotamia in the mountains of Ararat. This happened some 10k years ago and the FIRST human cities and the FIRST agriculture, and the ONLY Human civilization on our Earth, PROVES it.

SUDDENLY, the sons of God, (prehistoric people) evolved the Human intelligence of Adam and changed from animal to Human intelligence. Prehistoric man settled down, built houses, cities, and developed math and writing, proving that anything is possible IF you have the intelligence of the first Human, Adam. Below is the empirical record of the arrival of the first Humans on this Earth:

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE.... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/fertilemap.html

In less than 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from Chimps, on this Planet, they went from Caves to the Moon and back, and yet Evolutionists seem to be totally ignorant of this Fact. Humans also inherited the ERVs of the common ancestor of Chimps BUT Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, but from our own common ancestor whose name is Adam.

God bless

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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2019, 01:41:11 pm »
Dear Patrick,

YES....I believe in descend with modification within its kinds or what they described as  micro-evolution.

Example:

The FIRST words of  Adam as documented in the Scripture describes changes within His kinds or evolution.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Some godless men also call it “evolution” when two produce one.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics when two separate beings produce another totally separate individual, in a population, over time.

Gen 6:1-4 also shows that the sons of God (prehistoric people) can produce children with Adam's descendants and in the process, the children change from animal thinking to the Superior Human intelligence of Adam, which is like God's. Gen 3:22

IOW, In order to become a Human, you MUST inherit the Human intelligence of Adam, the first Human. That's God's Truth.

Don't believe the words of Godless Evols since they CANNOT show us How or When we magically evolved from Ape to Human Intelligence

God bless
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Re: Discussing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2019, 07:17:48 pm »
Dear Patrick,

YES....I believe in descend with modification within its kinds or what they described as  micro-evolution.

Example:

The FIRST words of  Adam as documented in the Scripture describes changes within His kinds or evolution.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Some godless men also call it “evolution” when two produce one.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics when two separate beings produce another totally separate individual, in a population, over time.

Gen 6:1-4 also shows that the sons of God (prehistoric people) can produce children with Adam's descendants and in the process, the children change from animal thinking to the Superior Human intelligence of Adam, which is like God's. Gen 3:22

IOW, In order to become a Human, you MUST inherit the Human intelligence of Adam, the first Human. That's God's Truth.

Don't believe the words of Godless Evols since they CANNOT show us How or When we magically evolved from Ape to Human Intelligence

God bless


Hi Seve.... I think your definition of "and they shall be one flesh." is wrong. This pertains to the Man and wife only and that short period of time where both of them become ONE.  This oneness yet two separate entities is akin to the Trinity of GOD where three separate entities are ONE GOD.[/u]

It also denotes that the Man and Wife shall acts as ONE instead of the two they are in their day to day lives especially in the worship of God.

People forget this and is the reason why there is a high percentage of divorces in America. The Man and Wife is a team that need to pull together like an old pair of mules.  A pretty sight altogether.

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December 01, 2020, 11:16:07 pm

LION OF JUDAH VIDEOS by patrick jane
December 01, 2020, 05:25:01 pm

Your Favorite Music, Images and Memes by patrick jane
December 01, 2020, 04:54:50 pm

legitimay of Biden's win by patrick jane
December 01, 2020, 02:03:21 pm

Corruption - Political, Military, Government and the Lying Media by patrick jane
December 01, 2020, 02:02:58 pm

2020 Election Took Place Under Trump-Declared “National Emergency” ELECTION DAY TRAP by patrick jane
December 01, 2020, 02:02:31 pm

Creepy Joe Biden by patrick jane
December 01, 2020, 02:02:14 pm

Democrats Try To "FIX" The 2020 Election - Fake Ballots by patrick jane
December 01, 2020, 02:01:57 pm

Steven Crowder - Conservative Commentary by patrick jane
December 01, 2020, 12:30:26 pm

Chaplain's Chat by Bladerunner
December 01, 2020, 08:43:39 am

Scriptures - Verse Of The Day and Discussion by Chaplain Mark Schmidt
November 30, 2020, 10:32:36 pm

Has it Begun? Deep State Indictments by patrick jane
November 30, 2020, 08:43:34 pm

Killer Whale Channels - YouTube Live Streams by patrick jane
November 30, 2020, 07:40:30 pm

The Five Discourses of Jesus by Chaplain Mark Schmidt
November 30, 2020, 07:18:10 pm

1992 Los Angeles Riots - Original Uncut News Footage - VHS Archives - Rodney King - April 29th 1992 by patrick jane
November 30, 2020, 08:02:54 am