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Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« on: April 16, 2019, 07:10:30 am »
It Was The Gardener In The Garden With The Law

Why did God place in Eden a Tree that He then forbade mankind to eat from it?

At that point in history that single command represented the entirety of Godís law to men. But what was God up to. If he didnít want the tree to be used as a food source, why not leave it out of the garden altogether?

Was God just trying to assert his control and domination over humans? Why give man an opportunity to rebel and bring so much suffering to this planet?

The Big Boss


Many people look at God as just a big boss in the sky. If you do what he wants, youíll get a reward and if you donít do what he wantís heíll burn you for eternity.

Love doesnít play into it much. How can you love someone who in essence says, love me or die, obey me or be tortured?

Freedom in The Tree

It would appear that the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil was an integral part of creation specifically created for the purpose of allowing people to exercise their free will.

If there were no opportunities to ignore Godís law, man would not have a free will.

The tree was not so much about obeying or disobeying as it was about trust and faith in the goodness of God.

The inevitable resulting death was not a punishment for disobeying God, nor was it a coercion to be Godís law keepers. It was the inevitable results of stepping out of the life stream of God.

Just as a plant will die if kept from the sun so to will anyone kept from the rays of Godís life giving force.

The Recreation

When you create light you also create dark and when you define hard you also define soft.

Once God endowed his crowning work of creation on this earth with free will, evil then existed in potential. God knew this and had a plan. This plan was not an oops-didnít-see-that-coming kind of plan but a plan that was part of the original creation.

It involved 1/3 of the triune God substituting for fallen mankind in order to allow them to remake the bad choice Adam made in Eden.

This would allow Godís creation to have free will and be sinless for eternity. Sadly, not everyone will avail themselves of this opportunity and will remain outside of Godís life stream to eventually wink out of existence for all eternity.
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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2019, 09:32:43 pm »
It Was The Gardener In The Garden With The Law

Why did God place in Eden a Tree that He then forbade mankind to eat from it?

At that point in history that single command represented the entirety of Godís law to men. But what was God up to. If he didnít want the tree to be used as a food source, why not leave it out of the garden altogether?

Was God just trying to assert his control and domination over humans? Why give man an opportunity to rebel and bring so much suffering to this planet?

The Big Boss


Many people look at God as just a big boss in the sky. If you do what he wants, youíll get a reward and if you donít do what he wantís heíll burn you for eternity.

Love doesnít play into it much. How can you love someone who in essence says, love me or die, obey me or be tortured?

Freedom in The Tree

It would appear that the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil was an integral part of creation specifically created for the purpose of allowing people to exercise their free will.

If there were no opportunities to ignore Godís law, man would not have a free will.

The tree was not so much about obeying or disobeying as it was about trust and faith in the goodness of God.

The inevitable resulting death was not a punishment for disobeying God, nor was it a coercion to be Godís law keepers. It was the inevitable results of stepping out of the life stream of God.

Just as a plant will die if kept from the sun so to will anyone kept from the rays of Godís life giving force.

The Recreation

When you create light you also create dark and when you define hard you also define soft.

Once God endowed his crowning work of creation on this earth with free will, evil then existed in potential. God knew this and had a plan. This plan was not an oops-didnít-see-that-coming kind of plan but a plan that was part of the original creation.

It involved 1/3 of the triune God substituting for fallen mankind in order to allow them to remake the bad choice Adam made in Eden.

This would allow Godís creation to have free will and be sinless for eternity. Sadly, not everyone will avail themselves of this opportunity and will remain outside of Godís life stream to eventually wink out of existence for all eternity.

well said my friend:

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2019, 04:46:03 am »
I concur guys.
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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2019, 06:35:47 pm »
It would appear that the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil was an integral part of creation specifically created for the purpose of allowing people to exercise their free will.

OR: it was a commandment given, as every commandment is, to convict a sinner of his sin, Rom 3:20 Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of, the conviction of, sin. and  since the law is only given to lawbreakers , not the righteous (or the innocent) as per 1 Timothy 1:9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels..., it is clear that Adam and Eve were sinners when they arrived in the garden and needed their eyes to be opened to that sin, that nakedness, so as per usual, HE gave them a command they should have been able to keep but upon the failure to keep it their eyes were opened to the fact they were naked sinful, and they repented.
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2019, 07:05:46 pm »
When you create light you also create dark and when you define hard you also define soft.

NO WAY A-tall!!! Wow - this too much.

When have you ever lit a source of light and seen dark come out!?? It is impossible for a source of light to create darkness! Think - light a match and fill the room with darkness??? Light destroys darkness!

Dark is created by an object other than the source of light BLOCKING  the light and standing against it! It is the nature of light to destroy dark so how can it be the cause or creator of dark?? As soon as it was created it would be destroyed and a house divided like this cannot stand!

The true source of dark is found in HIS creation who by their free will chose to become that which stands against and blocks HIS light, HIS love and righteous justice.

Light might define dark (which I hope is what you were trying to say) but it does NOT create it by its being light!!!


Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2019, 08:13:23 pm »
When you create light you also create dark and when you define hard you also define soft.

NO WAY A-tall!!! Wow - this too much.

When have you ever lit a source of light and seen dark come out!?? It is impossible for a source of light to create darkness! Think - light a match and fill the room with darkness??? Light destroys darkness!

Dark is created by an object other than the source of light BLOCKING  the light and standing against it! It is the nature of light to destroy dark so how can it be the cause or creator of dark?? As soon as it was created it would be destroyed and a house divided like this cannot stand!

The true source of dark is found in HIS creation who by their free will chose to become that which stands against and blocks HIS light, HIS love and righteous justice.

Light might define dark (which I hope is what you were trying to say) but it does NOT create it by its being light!!!

Darkness is the absence of light.

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2019, 06:36:34 pm »
When you create light you also create dark and when you define hard you also define soft.

NO WAY A-tall!!! Wow - this too much.

When have you ever lit a source of light and seen dark come out!?? It is impossible for a source of light to create darkness! Think - light a match and fill the room with darkness??? Light destroys darkness!

Dark is created by an object other than the source of light BLOCKING  the light and standing against it! It is the nature of light to destroy dark so how can it be the cause or creator of dark?? As soon as it was created it would be destroyed and a house divided like this cannot stand!

The true source of dark is found in HIS creation who by their free will chose to become that which stands against and blocks HIS light, HIS love and righteous justice.

Light might define dark (which I hope is what you were trying to say) but it does NOT create it by its being light!!!
Without light how would you define darkness?

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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2019, 08:04:45 pm »
When you create light you also create dark and when you define hard you also define soft.

NO WAY A-tall!!! Wow - this too much.

When have you ever lit a source of light and seen dark come out!?? It is impossible for a source of light to create darkness! Think - light a match and fill the room with darkness??? Light destroys darkness!

Dark is created by an object other than the source of light BLOCKING  the light and standing against it! It is the nature of light to destroy dark so how can it be the cause or creator of dark?? As soon as it was created it would be destroyed and a house divided like this cannot stand!

The true source of dark is found in HIS creation who by their free will chose to become that which stands against and blocks HIS light, HIS love and righteous justice.

Light might define dark (which I hope is what you were trying to say) but it does NOT create it by its being light!!!
Without light how would you define darkness?

Darkness is the Absence of LIGHT!. Darkness was upon the world before GOD shed HIS light.

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2019, 06:49:04 pm »
Light might define dark (which I hope is what you were trying to say) but it does NOT create it by its being light!!!
Without light how would you define darkness?
Ummm, didn't I just answer that? Light defines darkness as all that is not light and is against the light and blocks the light but LIGHT CANNOT CREATE THE DARK ! either in the physical world or the spiritual (theological) realms.
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2019, 07:04:35 pm »

Without light how would you define darkness?


Darkness is the Absence of LIGHT!. Darkness was upon the world before GOD shed HIS light.  Blade

Can something produce from itself that which is the absence of itself? Since Light destroys darkness by its very nature then the act of light creating darkness would extinguish that darkness the instant it came into being...an absurdity.

GOD is Light.
Evil is darkness destroyed by the nature, the essence, of light.
God is Light is NOT a metaphor but a statement of truth about HIS relationship with Evil.

PS: I have no idea why the formatting is suddenly so strange again[/size], sigh.
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2019, 08:50:07 pm »

Without light how would you define darkness?


Darkness is the Absence of LIGHT!. Darkness was upon the world before GOD shed HIS light.  Blade

Can something produce from itself that which is the absence of itself? Since Light destroys darkness by its very nature then the act of light creating darkness would extinguish that darkness the instant it came into being...an absurdity.

GOD is Light.
Evil is darkness destroyed by the nature, the essence, of light.
God is Light is NOT a metaphor but a statement of truth about HIS relationship with Evil.

PS: I have no idea why the formatting is suddenly so strange again[/size], sigh.
Ted, I just changed the theme of the forum for the 4th of July weekend. Sorry if it's causing you problems brother.
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Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2019, 06:46:06 am »
It reality darkness is not a thing.  It is the absence of a thing.  Musch like a hole is the absence of material but without that material present we don't have a hole.
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