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Quote from: Arius on February 16, 2019, 03:12:08 am

Quote from: Bladerunner on February 15, 2019, 08:11:06 pm

Quote from: Arius on February 12, 2019, 05:57:43 pm

Can you answer my previous question?

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arius asked - When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

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A trick question to be sure.

In Exodus 3:2.."And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."

In Exodus 3:3.."And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."

In Exodus 3:4..."And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."

In Exodus 3:6.."Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

So the answer to you question is all of the above>

So why isn't the "Bush on Fire that didn't burn up, and the Angel of the Lord are not included in the Trinity-gods as well as all the other Angels/Thunder/Still Small Voice etc. that God was speaking through?

Deuteronomy 4:14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.
Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

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Am going to wait and see where you are going to take this.

Blade[/shadow]

Well, I was hoping that you see that in the Trinity-gods God is a God, the son is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God, and now you say, the two others above are God also?

How about this; remember Jesus saying:

John 14:9  (NIV)
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Now imagine Moses up on the Mountain of God as he is trembling and kneeling before the Fiery Angel of the Lord in the Bush that won't burn up asking the Angel: "Can you show me God, so I could tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked to their Heavenly Father God?"

What do you think the Angel of the Lord would tell Moses? Maybe something like this?

"Don’t you know me, Moses, even after I have been talking to you on this mountain for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen God. So how can you say, ‘Show me the Father so when I go back to Egypt I could tell the Children of Israel I seen Him’!?

Do you see it now my friend?

John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

… 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.


I mean we hope when people see and talk to us, that they "see God in us", .. right?

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

Take care my friend!

in the spirit of

Arius

Interesting Arius....you are now recognizing Jesus as GOD?  BUT then you try to turn it into ---> three are separate GODs!.

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Whaaa?? You didn't read what I said? If I was to claim Jesus as God, I shown you that I would have to claim the Fiery Angel of the Lord as God also, so why is the Fiery Angel of the Lord not part of the Trinity-gods?

Blade said - you said:" "Can you show me God, so I could tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked to their Heavenly Father God?""

Maybe you could contact those who write the NIV Version of the Bible and sell them the above statement. It would fit right in that book!

I proposed that question to you, as referring to the trinity-gods, which you would have to add all the other manifestations of God on earth, not just Jesus and the holy Spirit.

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you said:"So just as the Fiery Angel of the Lord declared/revealed God to Moses, the son Word came down, became flesh and declared/revealed God to us.
In both cases it was God speaking, but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is, right?"


According to you, I must call the "Angel of the Lord" another GOD
 
John 14:7.."If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."


If you will back up 2 verses of John 14, you will see what Jesus is telling you. Then, if you back another verse, you can see what Jesus is telling you, what you have to do to get Salvation?

So how will you receive salvation by making Jesus into a sun-god, and worship three gods instead of One?
Jesus said: "No one comes to the Father except by/through me", .. he did not say the "me" was God, never.

John 14:6.."Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Here again, you are speaking in circles: "In both cases it was God speaking" Yes, in both cases it was GOD speaking. I agree to this!

.. so was the Angel of Fire that appeared to Moses God also? If you make Jesus God, the Holy Spirit God, then why not the Angel of Fire?

"but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is, right?""

Wrong!!! Jesus is GOD as is the Holy Spirit.   In many places of the NT, Jesus tells the apostles:

Mat 28:19.."Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Sorry, that's a Trinity baptism over babies before they are able to accept, or refuse anything. For us Believers there is only One Baptism, .. unless someone will go as far as claiming they were baptized in Arius.

The bottom line is, you do not believe in GOD, The SON and the HOLY Spirit. Yet, you claim salvation?    Interesting


Blade

I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.

You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".

Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism, this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?

http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/




Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:

Arius.