Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein. The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.
Glad to be here Brother.
You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C. Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers (before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of “the Way”!
Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
Yet later in Acts 19 he says;
Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion about “the Way”.
Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them Christian instead of "the Way"?
Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
I can almost hear the laughter in the court!
And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the Way”:
1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but please consider the context this is in? First, why would the author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?
Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers, those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear, but mocking also.
Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do we need not to associate ourselves with that name?
The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would never associate with such Religion.
Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't agree with?
Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".
Well the Book of Acts is very detailed and intricate, requiring much study. It is not written chronologically necessarily and in some chapters they seem out of order. I can agree with your reading of "Christians" and "Followers of the Way" - The fact is however, that we will never get folks to stop using that word or name to identify with. I admit it would be hard for me to refer to myself as something other than Christian in a theological context. I see nothing wrong with calling yourself a follower of the way and it will get people to think.
Ah, thank you Mr. Patrick, I actually found an intellectually superior Moderator, I hope and pray others follow in your footsteps.
In the beginning, I really thought I was sinning when I suggested for Believers to get out of Christianity. I prayed about it for months, I double checked myself, I listened to suggestions, to Warnings, but not one pushed me away from my initial understanding that the name "Christian", and what it stands for is bad.
Not only did any suggestion against me "blaspheming" (yes, I was even told I was blaspheming) Christians, instead each added more evidence reassuring me that I was doing the right thing.
Actually, it is almost exactly how I came to realize that the earth was not some globe spinning and wobbling up there amongst the stars.
There too, I read the Bible and it says: God created the Heaven and the Earth. It is much later He put the star up there. Nowhere in the Bible does it say; "God then took the earth and made it into a ball, a globe, and made it orbit the sun along with other earths, or planets held there by gravity. I mean think about it, starting with gravity, to a thousand things that are involved in keeping the globe in this imaginary space, yet Not One is mentioned in creation!?
No quasars, no black holes, no supernovas, as if God wasn't even at His creation. No wonder that this Big Bang theory alienates God from His creation, and why pseudoscience makes Gods creation for the simpleminded. Here is Gods creation:
Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth"
And here is the Big Bang Theory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_BangOr,
"How to remake a Big-Bang":https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.htmlNow how would anything in the Bible fit in with all the physics and mathematics that go into creating the Big-Bang, right?
Well same with the word "Christian, and Christianity" where God is just way too simple when interpreted from a non-trinitarian Early Disciples perspective, them simple sheepherders and fisherman, simply:
"God is Infinite, God is One, and there is no other gods beside Him".
Trinity: Oh, but God is not really One, but is far more complex than that. God is really made up of three individuals with free will, in which any one of them could die. But to understand this is a mystery, no human mind could really comprehend
God (noticed that any time anyone tries to understand, or question the Trinity-doctrine, they are right away told that they are questioning and trying to understand God, .. and not the Trinity.
Just like in the Globe-earth, the same with associating ourselves with Cristian and Christian doctrine, when we learn the truth, it will not only become obvious it is not the truth, and not Biblical, but you will see how detrimental it can be to our faith in and walk with Christ.
I mean the word Christ may be in there, but just as with "Flat earth" and "Globe-earth", just because the word "earth" is in both, you have to admit that they don't mean the same.
Just as gravity is part of Globe-earth, the Trinity-gods are part of Christianity.
Remember that other Christian Debating Site we were on? Why was I banned like three or four times? Was it because I mocked God, or said some derogatory things against the validity of the Bible? Of course not, there are atheists there that say all kinds of things against God, against Jesus and against the Bible. As long as they don't go against Christianity and it's Trinity Doctrine, .. they are tolerated even protected, .. right?
Patrick Jane said: There are way too many denominations and doctrines under the "Christian" Umbrella. Paul said that he knew nothing but Christ Crucified. I can certainly accept that they were first called Christians as a mockery. Originally a negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details.
Yes true; "There are way too many denominations and doctrines under the "Christian" Umbrella", .. but not under Christs Church. A Baptist Christian will not attend a Catholic Christian Church, or a JW, or a Mormon, or a Presbyterian, or any other denomination. Do you think the disciples in the Church of Rome would not visit the disciples in the Church of Corinth, or Philadelphia?
OK brother, let me ask you this: "Are you sure we don't live on a spinning, and wobbling Globe-earth that's up there amongst the stars in space, held in orbit around the sun that we see every day going over our heads, by gravity, .. that God just forgot to mention in all the thousands of letters he had his Prophets, His son Word preach and teach which his Apostles documenting it all"?
Does it say:
"God created the Heaven, the stars, and earth amongst the stars?" Because that's what these pseudoscientists are telling us, including the Christian Pope. Well this really took off when Rome took on the Christian name, and reinterpreted God through a Doctrine they made up.
Now let you and me just think about this for a minute brother; a Gentile pagan gods worshiping nation like Rome was, and Rome Is, .. created a very important doctrine to explain who God is. Not just who He is, but "His very Nature"!?
Which for some reason God didn't reveal to one of His chosen Prophets amongst His Chosen People (corrupt as they may be, even Jesus admitted that) or to any of Christs Apostles, but to Rome itself, certified by the gentile pagan gods worshipping Emperor Constantine.
If that right there is not something extremely contradicting to the Bible, then we might as well mock Jesus as Monty Python did in their movies like: "The Life of Brian", and Christians can even claim Jesus was actually a Roman, because Brother, the trinity-gods sure fit in with all the Roman gods, don't they? You know, "sun-god, Christmas on December 25, baby Thammuz as Jesus, then that Christian Easter celebration etc. how can we even blame people confusing the Christian gods with the pagan gods of old?
We CAN'T because they are the same ones.
- Continued -
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