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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2019, 04:01:17 pm »
- As a man thinketh -

Just a few years ago I, along with billions of people thought I was up there where the stars are, on a spinning globe as depicted by our science teachers by a paper or plastic globe, and as shown in Disney cartoons and NASA Computer graphic images like we see in science fiction movies.
I believed that NASA were actually exploring other planets up there where the stars are, and was anxious what kind of life they will find on Mars. I was hoping to one day see; "My Favorite Martian".

Oh yeah, and that Jesus and his Apostles were Christians, and that the Roman Catholic Christian Church was a take off from Apostle Peter, and that over time it just became corrupt as Satan took more and more hold of Christs Church.

I accepted all this (and a lot more fantastic stories) through "blind faith" which is what I, and everyone in my old Church thought was how we are to come to Christ, and through listening to Christian Preachers, Teachers, Elders for they were the mouthpiece of God,and that upon my death I will be escorted by winged Angels into Heaven and be with the Lord forever more.

Oh yeah, and having gone to many, many, many funerals in my life of Christians, Atheists, Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, I accepted (or more like never bothered to think about it) that at the end, EVERYONE goes to Heaven, even those who I knew were atheist and didn't believe in God, or His son Jesus Christ. They were all sent off to Heaven to be with all their atheist, Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Mafioso (whatever) loved ones who have passed on before. I have never, ever heard of anyone sent off to become "one with the universe"!?

Adrian Rogers sermons were beautiful, Biblical (for the most part) and really touched my heart every time me and my family listened to him, just like Billy Graham, but now that I woke up to mind boggling conspiracies, I realized that my Christian Religion was the culprit in training me through doctrines, and even MK-ultra to accept everything that TPTB told us, starting with our Teachers, Ministers, Government officials, Presidents etc. What I'm saying is that for the last 1,700 years we have been trained to accept an alternate reality, and there is no better way to describe this than what today our Military Government calls science, and what Religions call God.

Any opinions, comments, suggestions or questions?

Thank you.

you said: "that for the last 1,700, we have been trained" is not exactly right.

Up until the late 1800 and early 1900's the flat earth was real. Until the late 1940 and 1950's did the Military, and NASA (1952) change this. At this time, the schools began teaching the Globe to all children. The Churches did not have much choice but to get on board the 'Globed earth train' after the science came out in support of the GLOBE.   It was either go along with it or be labeled a crazy and have no church.

Again I thank you for your reply my friend

Earliest actual globe used to identify the earth:

The earliest extant terrestrial globe was made in 1492 by Martin Behaim (1459–1537) with help from the painter Georg Glockendon. Behaim was a German mapmaker, navigator, and merchant. Working in Nuremberg, Germany, he called his globe the "Nürnberg Terrestrial Globe." It is now known as the Erdapfel.

Celestial globe was named 天體儀 in Qing Dynasty. The one in Beijing Ancient Observatory was made by Belgian missionary Ferdinand Verbiest (南懷仁) 1673 C.E. Unlike other Chinese celestial globes, it employs 360 degrees rather than the 365.24 degrees (which is a standard in ancient China).

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So don't blame them (Churches) too hard as most of them had rather have a congregation and the ability to save some lives for GOD.

You have that backwards brother, .. we "give up our physical lives" for God, not try to save it at any cost. God is not dead for real, He can save a small remnant for himself even with Lucifer/Satan running the world by it's own made up Religious system.

As you can see, it all points to Rome and The Church of Rome, and the Germans.
I mean just look who runs NASA.gov space, also the U.S., .. the UN, .. the World, .. tells us what is science and what is not, ..  it's the Germans.
And who runs the Germans? The Church of Rome, specifically the Jesuits.
The Pope runs and governs the Catholic side of Christianity included ar (atheism, Islam, Luciferianism, and all the other Religions) , and the Germans starting with Luther runs the Protestant side, and they control the main philosophy regarding the Bible, the main idea, which is; how to interpret the God of the Bible and it's the same on both sides; the Catholic and the Protestant, and it is interpreted through Christian Trinity Doctrine!

Who put the first globes into Chine Ming, Qing dynasty?

Ferdinand Verbiest
- Father Ferdinand Verbiest was a Flemish Jesuit missionary in China during the Qing dynasty. He was born in Pittem near Tielt in the County of Flanders. He is known as Nan Huairen in Chinese

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Anyone of us who have decide to follow the WORD of GOD, are labeled as crazy, idiots, etc. our Plight is catching on, for there are more of us today than there were at the beginning of the 21st century.

Yes, that's the "idea" that 'The Church' want's to maintain, that Christianity is crazy, and they even pretended for hundreds of years that they were opposed to the "globe idea", yet we can today see it was always the opposite. The plan was always to slowly change peoples understanding of God, and His creation.
By killing God, and putting His son Word back on the cross, they were able to pass of a New Heaven; space, and a New Globe-earth spinning uncontrollably through it. Man, well we are just animals, evolving apes, not so distant cousins of rats. So to exterminate us, "They (that live)" consider it doing us a favor, giving the rest of us rats a little better life, .. a "more sustainable life".


Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2019, 04:42:11 pm »



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Again I thank you for your reply my friend

Earliest actual globe used to identify the earth:

The earliest extant terrestrial globe was made in 1492 by Martin Behaim (1459–1537) with help from the painter Georg Glockendon. Behaim was a German mapmaker, navigator, and merchant. Working in Nuremberg, Germany, he called his globe the "Nürnberg Terrestrial Globe." It is now known as the Erdapfel.

Celestial globe was named 天體儀 in Qing Dynasty. The one in Beijing Ancient Observatory was made by Belgian missionary Ferdinand Verbiest (南懷仁) 1673 C.E. Unlike other Chinese celestial globes, it employs 360 degrees rather than the 365.24 degrees (which is a standard in ancient China).

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So don't blame them (Churches) too hard as most of them had rather have a congregation and the ability to save some lives for GOD.

You have that backwards brother, .. we "give up our physical lives" for God, not try to save it at any cost. God is not dead for real, He can save a small remnant for himself even with Lucifer/Satan running the world by it's own made up Religious system.

As you can see, it all points to Rome and The Church of Rome, and the Germans.
I mean just look who runs NASA.gov space, also the U.S., .. the UN, .. the World, .. tells us what is science and what is not, ..  it's the Germans.
And who runs the Germans? The Church of Rome, specifically the Jesuits.
The Pope runs and governs the Catholic side of Christianity included ar (atheism, Islam, Luciferianism, and all the other Religions) , and the Germans starting with Luther runs the Protestant side, and they control the main philosophy regarding the Bible, the main idea, which is; how to interpret the God of the Bible and it's the same on both sides; the Catholic and the Protestant, and it is interpreted through Christian Trinity Doctrine!

Who put the first globes into Chine Ming, Qing dynasty?

Ferdinand Verbiest
- Father Ferdinand Verbiest was a Flemish Jesuit missionary in China during the Qing dynasty. He was born in Pittem near Tielt in the County of Flanders. He is known as Nan Huairen in Chinese

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Anyone of us who have decide to follow the WORD of GOD, are labeled as crazy, idiots, etc. our Plight is catching on, for there are more of us today than there were at the beginning of the 21st century.

Yes, that's the "idea" that 'The Church' want's to maintain, that Christianity is crazy, and they even pretended for hundreds of years that they were opposed to the "globe idea", yet we can today see it was always the opposite. The plan was always to slowly change peoples understanding of God, and His creation.
By killing God, and putting His son Word back on the cross, they were able to pass of a New Heaven; space, and a New Globe-earth spinning uncontrollably through it. Man, well we are just animals, evolving apes, not so distant cousins of rats. So to exterminate us, "They (that live)" consider it doing us a favor, giving the rest of us rats a little better life, .. a "more sustainable life".
Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein. The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2019, 12:58:33 pm »
Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein. The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.

Glad to be here Brother.

You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C. Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers (before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of “the Way”!

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.


Yet later in Acts 19 he says;

Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion about “the Way”.

Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them Christian instead of "the Way"?

Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

I can almost hear the laughter in the court!

And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the Way”:

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but please consider the context this is in? First, why would the author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?

Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers, those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear, but mocking also.

Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do we need not to associate ourselves with that name?

The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would never associate with such Religion.

Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't agree with?

Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".
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I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2019, 01:37:30 pm »
Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein. The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.

Glad to be here Brother.

You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C. Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers (before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of “the Way”!

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.


Yet later in Acts 19 he says;

Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion about “the Way”.

Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them Christian instead of "the Way"?

Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

I can almost hear the laughter in the court!

And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the Way”:

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but please consider the context this is in? First, why would the author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?

Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers, those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear, but mocking also.

Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do we need not to associate ourselves with that name?

The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would never associate with such Religion.

Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't agree with?

Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".
Well the Book of Acts is very detailed and intricate, requiring much study. It is not written chronologically necessarily and in some chapters they seem out of order. I can agree with your reading of "Christians" and "Followers of the Way" - The fact is however, that we will never get folks to stop using that word or name to identify with. I admit it would be hard for me to refer to myself as something other than Christian in a theological context. I see nothing wrong with calling yourself a follower of the way and it will get people to think.

There are way too many denominations and doctrines under the "Christian" Umbrella. Paul said that he knew nothing but Christ Crucified. I can certainly accept that they were first called Christians as a  mockery. Originally a negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details. I cannot deny the clear words of John chapter 1. Plus the numerous other references to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I can promise that you will never get banned either here or at TF.
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2019, 03:07:40 am »
Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein. The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.

Glad to be here Brother.

You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C. Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers (before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of “the Way”!

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.


Yet later in Acts 19 he says;

Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion about “the Way”.

Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them Christian instead of "the Way"?

Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

I can almost hear the laughter in the court!

And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the Way”:

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but please consider the context this is in? First, why would the author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?

Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers, those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear, but mocking also.

Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do we need not to associate ourselves with that name?

The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would never associate with such Religion.

Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't agree with?

Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".

Well the Book of Acts is very detailed and intricate, requiring much study. It is not written chronologically necessarily and in some chapters they seem out of order. I can agree with your reading of "Christians" and "Followers of the Way" - The fact is however, that we will never get folks to stop using that word or name to identify with. I admit it would be hard for me to refer to myself as something other than Christian in a theological context. I see nothing wrong with calling yourself a follower of the way and it will get people to think.

Ah, thank you Mr. Patrick, I actually found an intellectually superior Moderator, I hope and pray others follow in your footsteps.

In the beginning, I really thought I was sinning when I suggested for Believers to get out of Christianity. I prayed about it for months, I double checked myself, I listened to suggestions, to Warnings, but not one pushed me away from my initial understanding that the name "Christian", and what it stands for is bad.
Not only did any suggestion against me "blaspheming" (yes, I was even told I was blaspheming) Christians, instead each added more evidence reassuring me that I was doing the right thing.
Actually, it is almost exactly how I came to realize that the earth was not some globe spinning and wobbling up there amongst the stars.
There too, I read the Bible and it says: God created the Heaven and the Earth. It is much later He put the star up there. Nowhere in the Bible does it say; "God then took the earth and made it into a ball, a globe, and made it orbit the sun along with other earths, or planets held there by gravity. I mean think about it, starting with gravity, to a thousand things that are involved in keeping the globe in this imaginary space, yet Not One is mentioned in creation!?
No quasars, no black holes, no supernovas, as if God wasn't even at His creation. No wonder that this Big Bang theory alienates God from His creation, and why pseudoscience makes Gods creation for the simpleminded. Here is Gods creation:

Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth"

And here is the Big Bang Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
Or,
"How to remake a Big-Bang":
https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

Now how would anything in the Bible fit in with all the physics and mathematics that go into creating the Big-Bang, right?

Well same with the word "Christian, and Christianity" where God is just way too simple when interpreted from a non-trinitarian Early Disciples perspective, them simple sheepherders and fisherman, simply: "God is Infinite, God is One, and there is no other gods beside Him".

Trinity: Oh, but God is not really One, but is far more complex than that. God is really made up of three individuals with free will, in which any one of them could die. But to understand this is a mystery, no human mind could really comprehend God (noticed that any time anyone tries to understand, or question the Trinity-doctrine, they are right away told that they are questioning and trying to understand God, .. and not the Trinity.

Just like in the Globe-earth, the same with associating ourselves with Cristian and Christian doctrine, when we learn the truth, it will not only become obvious it is not the truth, and not Biblical, but you will see how detrimental it can be to our faith in and walk with Christ.
I mean the word Christ may be in there, but just as with "Flat earth" and "Globe-earth", just because the word "earth" is in both, you have to admit that they don't mean the same.
Just as gravity is part of Globe-earth, the Trinity-gods are part of Christianity.

Remember that other Christian Debating Site we were on? Why was I banned like three or four times? Was it because I mocked God, or said some derogatory things against the validity of the Bible? Of course not, there are atheists there that say all kinds of things against God, against Jesus and against the Bible. As long as they don't go against Christianity and it's Trinity Doctrine, .. they are tolerated even protected, .. right?

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Patrick Jane said: There are way too many denominations and doctrines under the "Christian" Umbrella. Paul said that he knew nothing but Christ Crucified. I can certainly accept that they were first called Christians as a  mockery. Originally a negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details.

Yes true; "There are way too many denominations and doctrines under the "Christian" Umbrella", .. but not under Christs Church. A Baptist Christian will not attend a Catholic Christian Church, or a JW, or a Mormon, or a Presbyterian, or any other denomination. Do you think the disciples in the Church of Rome would not visit the disciples in the Church of Corinth, or Philadelphia?

OK brother, let me ask you this: "Are you sure we don't live on a spinning, and wobbling Globe-earth that's up there amongst the stars in space, held in orbit around the sun that we see every day going over our heads, by gravity, .. that God just forgot to mention in all the thousands of letters he had his Prophets, His son Word preach and teach which his Apostles documenting it all"?

Does it say: "God created the Heaven, the stars, and earth amongst the stars?" Because that's what these pseudoscientists are telling us, including the Christian Pope. Well this really took off when Rome took on the Christian name, and reinterpreted God through a Doctrine they made up.

Now let you and me just think about this for a minute brother; a Gentile pagan gods worshiping nation like Rome was, and Rome Is, .. created a very important doctrine to explain who God is. Not just who He is, but "His very Nature"!?
Which for some reason God didn't reveal to one of His chosen Prophets amongst His Chosen People (corrupt as they may be, even Jesus admitted that) or to any of Christs Apostles, but to Rome itself, certified by the gentile pagan gods worshipping Emperor Constantine.
If that right there is not something extremely contradicting to the Bible, then we might as well mock Jesus as Monty Python did in their movies like: "The Life of Brian", and Christians can even claim Jesus was actually a Roman, because Brother, the trinity-gods sure fit in with all the Roman gods, don't they? You know, "sun-god, Christmas on December 25, baby Thammuz as Jesus, then that Christian Easter celebration etc. how can we even blame people confusing the Christian gods with the pagan gods of old?

We CAN'T because they are the same ones.

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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2019, 04:28:38 am »
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Patrick Jane said:I can certainly accept that they were first called Christians as a  mockery. Originally a negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details. I cannot deny the clear words of John chapter 1. Plus the numerous other references to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

All references to the son Word and to the Holy Ghost are made as "son Word aka Jesus Christ, and Holy Ghost", never as God.

Let's go further, we are all to represent ourselves as if God was in us also, our bodies as the Temple of God, for the Spirit of God lives in us, and it is written that we are to walk as if Christ was in us too, so ight there we could claim to be God, for the three is in us, the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus, .. and since all things are IN God, All hings Are from God, so in reality, all things ARE God since nothing exists outside of Infinite/God. But we don't say a tree is God, right? Well the same with Gods Holy Spirit or His son Word, even though they are all of God, including the Fiery Angel that appeared to Moses.

Who did Moses fall before, was he worshipping the dust of the ground, or a Fiery Angel, or was Moses worshipping God?
If the Fiery Angel was God (that is exactly who Moses talked to; "God") then why is He not included in the Trinity? Why?

Well the same goes with Gods son Word;

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,

It does not say: "In the beginning was God" because God is Infinite, actually Infinite/Eternal Is God and Infinite is borderless, and Eternal is outside of time, thus no beginning nor end. But the son Is the Beginning and the End of all creation.

and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Trinity interpretation would be: "and God was with God, and God was God" totally senseless and wrong.

The Word, that is Gods son Word Was God, just as Eve was Adam. Just as I said a tree was God, Heaven earth was God, everything and everyone was God "before the beginning", or before God created/beget His son Word and created all things through him. But this doesn't mean we worship trees, or the sun or the moon, or even the son Word as God, but as Lord.
And when we worship the son, we worship God, it is Gods will, not the sons to have it this way.
Why?
Because Gods son Word became flesh, so God could reveal Himself to us since the son Word was worthy in heaven, and now he proved his worth on earth being tempted in all things just as we were and remained righteous to His Father making God remain in him.
Why couldn't God just reveal Himself to us?
Because God is invisible, and no one has really seen God himself at any time, only the son reveals Him. Just as the Fiery Angel, or thunder, or whatever and whomever, even dust like us God chooses to reveal Himself through, reveals God.

2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Was God with God in the beginning? No, .. the son Word was with God in the beginning, .. because?
Because: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made"

.. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Again ask ourselves: "who became flesh?" does it say: "God became flesh"?
No.
But the Trinity Doctrine Does Say God became flesh and even died. This is blasphemy, yet it is an accepted Christian Doctrine, right?
Is it Biblical? No, because you will never find anywhere in the Bible saying Jesus is God.

Now even Moses was like God unto Pharaoh, to his brother Aaron and to the Children of Israel, yet none of them, not Pharaoh, not the Egyptians, not the children of Israel, no one confused, or worshipped Moses as God. But here is the Romans, they make Jesus into God, just so they could have God killed (in the minds and hearts of their sheep the; Christians).

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Ah, thank you Brother, .. and I pray to God through Jesus Christ that I will not make you break that promise!
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2019, 04:55:32 am »
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Patrick Jane said:I can certainly accept that they were first called Christians as a  mockery. Originally a negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details. I cannot deny the clear words of John chapter 1. Plus the numerous other references to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

All references to the son Word and to the Holy Ghost are made as "son Word aka Jesus Christ, and Holy Ghost", never as God.

Let's go further, we are all to represent ourselves as if God was in us also, our bodies as the Temple of God, for the Spirit of God lives in us, and it is written that we are to walk as if Christ was in us too, so ight there we could claim to be God, for the three is in us, the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus, .. and since all things are IN God, All hings Are from God, so in reality, all things ARE God since nothing exists outside of Infinite/God. But we don't say a tree is God, right? Well the same with Gods Holy Spirit or His son Word, even though they are all of God, including the Fiery Angel that appeared to Moses.

Who did Moses fall before, was he worshipping the dust of the ground, or a Fiery Angel, or was Moses worshipping God?
If the Fiery Angel was God (that is exactly who Moses talked to; "God") then why is He not included in the Trinity? Why?

Well the same goes with Gods son Word;

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,

It does not say: "In the beginning was God" because God is Infinite, actually Infinite/Eternal Is God and Infinite is borderless, and Eternal is outside of time, thus no beginning nor end. But the son Is the Beginning and the End of all creation.

and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Trinity interpretation would be: "and God was with God, and God was God" totally senseless and wrong.

The Word, that is Gods son Word Was God, just as Eve was Adam. Just as I said a tree was God, Heaven earth was God, everything and everyone was God "before the beginning", or before God created/beget His son Word and created all things through him. But this doesn't mean we worship trees, or the sun or the moon, or even the son Word as God, but as Lord.
And when we worship the son, we worship God, it is Gods will, not the sons to have it this way.
Why?
Because Gods son Word became flesh, so God could reveal Himself to us since the son Word was worthy in heaven, and now he proved his worth on earth being tempted in all things just as we were and remained righteous to His Father making God remain in him.
Why couldn't God just reveal Himself to us?
Because God is invisible, and no one has really seen God himself at any time, only the son reveals Him. Just as the Fiery Angel, or thunder, or whatever and whomever, even dust like us God chooses to reveal Himself through, reveals God.

2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Was God with God in the beginning? No, .. the son Word was with God in the beginning, .. because?
Because: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made"

.. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Again ask ourselves: "who became flesh?" does it say: "God became flesh"?
No.
But the Trinity Doctrine Does Say God became flesh and even died. This is blasphemy, yet it is an accepted Christian Doctrine, right?
Is it Biblical? No, because you will never find anywhere in the Bible saying Jesus is God.

Now even Moses was like God unto Pharaoh, to his brother Aaron and to the Children of Israel, yet none of them, not Pharaoh, not the Egyptians, not the children of Israel, no one confused, or worshipped Moses as God. But here is the Romans, they make Jesus into God, just so they could have God killed (in the minds and hearts of their sheep the; Christians).

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Ah, thank you Brother, .. and I pray to God through Jesus Christ that I will not make you break that promise!
I can see your line of thinking but consider this. God SPOKE everything into existence so in the beginning was the Word with a capital W = Jesus Christ is the Word. So right there you have God and Christ together in the beginning. The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and God CONSISTS of all three. We are IN Christ and Christ in us, the hope of glory, which was a mystery among other mysteries, some secret since the world began, others revealed to the prophets.

The Word is God and the Word is Christ. As God said in the beginning, "Let us, Let US make man in our image" - God's voice and His Word created all things. Read some of Job concerning God and creation and scriptures about God's voice and God speaking. In real life the father gives way to the son who becomes equal to or even greater than the father. Nothing is greater than the Father, as we know yet Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are equal parts of God. To me, that's the only way the Bible makes sense.

Now, at the same time, going back to childhood I have always thought in my mind somehow that God is great than Jesus and the HS. I can't force my mind to think that God is not the greatest. Therefore, I do not condemn those who go against the trinity doctrine because I don't think God will send people to hell if the get the trinity wrong. They can't both be right.
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2019, 02:53:28 pm »
I can see your line of thinking but consider this. God SPOKE everything into existence so in the beginning was the Word with a capital W = Jesus Christ is the Word. So right there you have God and Christ together in the beginning.

Ah, Thank You Lord, .. I love you Patrick Jane, you are actually willing to talk more about this man made Doctrine.

OK, now re-read what you said brother, like; "In The Beginning". Yes true, "in the beginning was the Word", but remember this because this is very critical, it is that God has no beginning because He Is Infinite! So this is strictly talking about Gods son Word who not only was there "in the beginning", but is called "the beginning and the End". So we can't really confuse Gods son Word with Infinite/Eternal God even if we tried, .. well not in truth, wouldn't you agree? One IS Infinite and Eternal, and the other IS the beginning and the End.
Creation and the created have a beginning and an end, but Infinite "I Am" does not.

So how would God define Himself if someone were to ask Him; who He was? Let's go back in Exodus where a man actually does ask Him?

Exodus 3:4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”
5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” 6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.


OK, so who was Moses "really" looking at, and talking to?
Well, this is what the Bible says:

Exodus 3:2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.

You notice that the Christian Scholars did not capitalize the word "angel" here, yet it is God speaking. There is no way around this, the Angel of the Lord Is God, do we agree? (Clue: "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.”)
Yet somehow the Trinity doctrine ignores the Angel of Fire, .. why? Because like I said before that, then they would have to deal with not just three, but millions of "God" selves, including trees, because before the tree was created, it was God. In other words we could say: "in the beginning was tree, and the tree was with God, and the tree was God". We could actually say this with EVERYTHING God created, because it is all God. God is all in all, and all is God in the overall sense. But God does not want us to confuse the created, with Himself, so we shouldn't.

Exodus 3:13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
“This is my name forever,
    the name you shall call me
    from generation to generation.


So what is Gods name? is it "The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob", or "I Am"?
It is: "I Am", .. who is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. So God identified Himself by; "I Am" which He says is His name.
How else could the Only Infinite and Eternal God identify Himself other than "I Am"?
"I Am" is the Infinite and Eternal conscious Spirit/Mind. The first Word He spoke he named it His son "Word".

I think of  it like this: Imagine writing a book, and the book takes on free will. Well that is who Gods son Word is, because this book contains all of creation:

Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was NOT made out of things which are visible. (I emphasized the word "not")

Everything God created is by, and for this book called "Word", and the son/Word has free will, and through the son we come to see God, like it says here, that through the created, starting with His son Word, we can see/understand God:

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.

So now what?

2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

Who is both Infinite and Eternal? I don't mean like we shall inherit eternal life, but who is He himself Infinite and Eternal?
We know it's not the son Word, for when he became flesh as Jesus he made it clear who he was: "I am the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and omega", so there is only One who is both Infinite and Eternal with no beginning nor end, and it is God.

In heaven we see Gods presence as Light, and on His right side sits Jesus Christ, the Word of God. Where is the Holy Spirit sitting, .. on Gods left? And think also, where is the Angel of Fire-god, and all the other obvious God-selves? Even Hagar seen God, and she said "I seen God and lived'.

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Patrick Jane said - The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and God CONSISTS of all three. We are IN Christ and Christ in us, the hope of glory, which was a mystery among other mysteries, some secret since the world began, others revealed to the prophets.

The Word is God and the Word is Christ. As God said in the beginning, "Let us, Let US make man in our image" - God's voice and His Word created all things. Read some of Job concerning God and creation and scriptures about God's voice and God speaking. In real life the father gives way to the son who becomes equal to or even greater than the father. Nothing is greater than the Father, as we know yet Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are equal parts of God. To me, that's the only way the Bible makes sense.

No my friend, God does not "consist of" the Holy Spirit, but God IS "Holy and Spirit". But God is not His son Word.

And please don't say: "To me, that's the only way the Bible makes sense", because  what I see you doing is the only way you trying to make this Trinity Doctrine makes sense.  I mean we just barely scratched the surface understanding God.
I mean come on, how would Gods spoken Word, His creation be equal to, or even greater then God who spoke it, .. you know what I mean?

The "let us" part is because God is about to create man in their image, Adam in the image of God, and Eve in the image of His son Word.
Just as God beget His son Word of Himself, God made Eve from what He took out of Adam. I mean doesn't that make sense? because that is what happened, I see a beautiful image of God and His son Word (John 1:1-) here in Adam and Eves creation.

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Patrick said - Now, at the same time, going back to childhood I have always thought in my mind somehow that God is greater than Jesus and the HS. I can't force my mind to think that God is not the greatest. Therefore, I do not condemn those who go against the trinity doctrine because I don't think God will send people to hell if the get the trinity wrong. They can't both be right.

You said it Brother: "They can't both be right"!
So either God is made up of three individual gods, one of which is clearly His "begotten son Word", a created being, or Infinite/Eternal conscious Spirit/Mind who defined Himself to Moses as "I Am" Is God and there is "No Other gods Besides Him"!? because the Bible is clear that we will see Jesus sitting on the right hand side of God in Heaven. So if we went by the gentile Roman created Trinity Doctrine, then most definitely God would have at least one more god besides Him.

The Ten Commandments

20 And God spoke all these words:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Isaiah 45:5  (NIV)
5 I am the Lord, and there is no other;
    apart from me there is no God.


Joshua 24:15  (NIV)
15 But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

God bless you my Brother.
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich

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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2019, 03:22:22 pm »
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2019, 07:01:40 pm »
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


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Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2019, 08:58:25 pm »
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


PS
Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!



If you would read the Bible literally, you would find out Jesus Christ has many names.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2019, 10:30:51 pm »
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


PS
Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!



If you would read the Bible literally, you would find out Jesus Christ has many names.

Blade


I agree, something like 50 names, here is a few,

* Alpha and Omega – “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Rev. 22:13
* Advocate – “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1
* Author and Perfecter of Our Faith – “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Heb. 12:2
* Authority – “Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18
* Bread of Life – “Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.’” John 6:35
* Beloved Son of God – “And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matt. 3:17
* Bridegroom – “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” Matt. 9:15
* Chief Cornerstone – “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone.” Ps. 118:22
* Deliverer – “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess.1:10
* Immanuel – “…She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.’” Is. 7:14
* Indescribable Gift – “Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.” 2 Cor. 9:15
* Judge – “…he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” Acts 10:42
* King of Kings – “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev. 17:14
* Lamb of God – “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29
* Light of the World – "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
* Lion of the Tribe of Judah – “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” Rev. 5:5
* Lord of All – “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11

Here is what Jesus is not: God the Father, even though many Bible versions put that in like in Revelations, and other NT books, to keep the Trinity-gods alive.

* Christ is our Mediator – “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Tim. 2:5

the above would make no sense through Trinity translation: For there is one God, and mediator God between God and men, the man-God Christ Jesus.

What I have noticed over the years is that even those who oppose the Bible, even the ones who claim to be atheist have defended the Trinity Doctrine!? Why is that?

God bless

Arius
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 10:52:44 pm »
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


PS
Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!



If you would read the Bible literally, you would find out Jesus Christ has many names.

Blade


I agree, something like 50 names, here is a few,

* Alpha and Omega – “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Rev. 22:13
* Advocate – “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1
* Author and Perfecter of Our Faith – “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Heb. 12:2
* Authority – “Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18
* Bread of Life – “Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.’” John 6:35
* Beloved Son of God – “And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matt. 3:17
* Bridegroom – “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” Matt. 9:15
* Chief Cornerstone – “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone.” Ps. 118:22
* Deliverer – “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess.1:10
* Immanuel – “…She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.’” Is. 7:14
* Indescribable Gift – “Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.” 2 Cor. 9:15
* Judge – “…he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” Acts 10:42
* King of Kings – “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev. 17:14
* Lamb of God – “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29
* Light of the World – "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
* Lion of the Tribe of Judah – “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” Rev. 5:5
* Lord of All – “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11

Here is what Jesus is not: God the Father, even though many Bible versions put that in like in Revelations, and other NT books, to keep the Trinity-gods alive.

* Christ is our Mediator – “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Tim. 2:5

the above would make no sense through Trinity translation: For there is one God, and mediator God between God and men, the man-God Christ Jesus.

What I have noticed over the years is that even those who oppose the Bible, even the ones who claim to be atheist have defended the Trinity Doctrine!? Why is that?

God bless

Arius

You left out something. No not a name but just as important. 

Isa 22:23..."And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house."

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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