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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2018, 02:19:35 pm »
I have no desire to change anyone's mind because I agree that abortion should not be an option.  I DO believe that the issue would be served better with so quality thought and discussion on how to solve the problem that doesn't include the KLS argument.

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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2018, 01:35:44 pm »
VERY REVEALING Margaret Sanger Interview MUST SEE ! PLANNED PARENTHOOD



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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2018, 06:48:17 pm »
Abortion: When Does Life Begin?


Pivotal to the Roe versus Wade decision was the question of whether a fetus is a real person who possesses certain inalienable rights that are protected under the U. S. Constitution. Since that decision made more than 45 years ago, over 50 million fetuses have not enjoyed those rights. What qualifies you to be human? Who gives you the right to call yourself a living human person? God? The Church? Or should it be the state?

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Abortion: How Sacred Is Human Life?


Emanuel Kant said that the sacredness of life was self-evident. The framers of the Declaration of Independence shared his conviction as they wrote, “We hold these truths to be self-evident …” Now, things that are self-evident theoretically need no explanation, but we find ourselves in a day where “these truths” are being contested. Terms such as “actual” life and “potential” life are used to draw lines between those who are protected by law and those who are not.

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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2018, 09:34:28 am »
re Sanger,
be sure to see the seen in the Irish series LILLIES where the progressives are promoting abortion and vegetarianism etc.  I can't remember the exact line but they came down on the side of Germany biologists.  They believed it was worse to eat pork than to fight Germans in WW1...

The above was an aside.

What I meant to post here was this rather 'ultimate' test of historical poignancy knowledge.  It is that in the book HOW SHOULD WE THEN LIVE?  Dr. Schaeffer reported that it was the generation of West Germans following the Nazi era who appealed to the US Supreme court etc during Roe V Wade not to permit abortion.

Let that sink in--the reaction of a generation to its previous one, etc.   
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2018, 12:14:58 am »
‘Heartbeat’ abortion bill passes Ohio House

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ohio-lawmakers-vote-heartbeat-abortion-bill-today/CclNdMcQfRE2aPFG0Vs1iM/

Issue now moves to Ohio Senate


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After more than an hour of heated debate, a controversial abortion ban that Gov. John Kasich vetoed two years ago passed the Ohio House on Thursday 60-35 and now heads to the Senate where its fate is unclear.

The ‘heartbeat bill’ would prohibit abortions once a fetal heartbeat can be detected, which is as early as six weeks into a pregnancy.

“This bill basically says if there is a heartbeat you cannot abort. If there is a heartbeat, there is life…there is no debating that,” said state Rep. Ron Hood, R-Ashville, a primary sponsor. “We can finally save these babies from being slaughtered before they’re even born.”

Related: Kasich vetoes ‘heartbeat bill,’ signs 20-week abortion ban

“Abortion is an assault on the family. Abortion is an assault on Ohio because it destroys the hearts and minds of women,” said state Rep. Candice Keller, R-Middletown. She said the bill would help save 20,000 babies each year in Ohio.

State Rep. Nickie Antonio, D-Lakewood, said Ohio’s 11 million residents are divided on the issue of abortion. “None of us can know the experiences of all the people of this state.”


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She noted that the bill doesn’t include exemptions for women who are victims of rape, incest or domestic violence. “This is not an easy decision but it should be a survivor’s decision to make,” Antonio said.


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“We all have a beating heart,” said state Rep. Christina Hagan, R-Marlboro Twp., co-sponsor, while holding her twin infants on the House floor. She later added that she doesn’t think the “act of the father” shouldn’t cause the termination of a child.

State Rep. Catherine Ingram, D-Cincinnati, said the decision to terminate a pregnancy is up to the woman and she’ll be judged by God in the after life. She also argued that the ban would bring back dangerous illegal abortions. “I’m old enough to remember hangars, liquids, shotgun pellets,” she said.

The bill is strongly opposed by many Democrats and reproductive rights groups such as Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice. The Ohio Right to Life is neutral on the measure. It still has to win approval from the Ohio Senate before the two-year legislative session ends in late December.

Kasich has signed into law at least 18 abortion restrictions during his eight year tenure as governor. The heartbeat bill is the only abortion restriction he has vetoed.

Miami Valley area lawmakers voting in favor of the heartbeat ban bill were Republicans: Niraj Antani, John Becker, Tom Brinkman, Jim Butler, Keith Faber, Mike Henne, Steve Huffman, Candice Keller, Kyle Koehler, George Lang, Scott Lipps, Rick Perales, Wes Retherford, Todd Smith, Nino Vitale and Paul Zeltwanger. Opposed was House Minority Leader Fred Strahorn, D-Dayton.

Related: Ohio a key battleground in abortion fight

Last year, there were 20,893 induced abortions in Ohio, a 1-percent increase over 2016, according to a report from the Ohio Department of Health. Of those, 11,784 were performed at nine weeks or less of gestation, 6,084 at between nine and 12 weeks, 2,935 at 13 to 20 weeks and 90 at 21 weeks or more, the report showed.

State Rep. Michele Lepore-Hagan, D-Youngstown, offered an amendment that would mandate comprehensive sex education in Ohio’s K-12 schools as a means of reducing unintended preganancies but that idea was tabled on a 62-31 vote.

Ohio Right to Life lobbyist Jessica Warner said the anti-abortion group is pushing for passage of two other restrictions: Senate Bill 28 would require burial or cremation of fetal remains and Senate Bill 145 would outlaw a common surgical procedure used for second trimester abortions.

SB 145 passed the Senate 24-9 in June, less than six weeks after its introduction, and is now pending in the House Criminal Justice Committee. It would make it a fourth degree felony for doctors to perform abortions using dilation and extraction, unless the woman’s life or irreversible bodily harm were at stake. It makes no exception for rape or incest.

The bill’s primary sponsor is state Sen. Steve Wilson, R-Maineville.

SB28 passed the Senate 23-9 in January and is awaiting a House floor vote. If it becomes law, burial or cremation would be required for aborted fetal remains, including zygotes and blastocysts — the earliest stages of development.




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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2018, 11:37:54 am »

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Heartbeat Bills Used to Divide Pro-Lifers. Here’s Why That’s Changing.


Even the “most restrictive” abortion laws—like one vetoed this week in Ohio—may now have a place in incrementalist strategy.

 
Two years ago, Ohio Governor John Kasich had the support of the state’s biggest pro-life group when he vetoed a bill to ban abortion after about six weeks, once an unborn baby’s heartbeat is detectable.

Last week, the pro-life politician again vetoed a state “heartbeat bill”—only this time Ohio Right to Life (ORTL) took a different stance.

The organization wanted to see the state legislature override his decision. Though lawmakers failed to do so yesterday, ORTL plans to lobby his successor to sign the ban, considered the most restrictive abortion policy in the country, into law.

What changed over the past few years to prompt their new stance? In short, the Supreme Court.

For years, the pro-life movement has taken on different tactics toward a shared goal of eliminating abortion. ORTL adopted a “strategic incremental approach,” at times supporting more feasible abortion regulations—such as the ban on abortions after 20 weeks Kasich signed in 2016, or the ban on “dismemberment abortions” he signed this year—over more restrictive legislation that risked being turned down in the courts.

Kasich defended his veto with nearly identical wording last week as he did two years prior. “As governor I have worked hard to strengthen Ohio’s protections for the sanctity of human life, and I have a deep respect for my fellow members of the pro-life community and their ongoing efforts in defense of unborn life,” the outgoing Republican stated.

But the ban runs “contrary to the Supreme Court of the United States’ current rulings on abortion,” he said, referring to Roe v. Wade, which allows for the abortion of any child not viable outside the womb.

Back in 2016, ORTL president Mike Gonidakis agreed with Kasich’s assessment of the potential legal challenges, saying:

Given the current makeup of the United States Supreme Court, Governor Kasich got it right by embracing the strategic incremental approach to ending abortion. The current pro-abortion Supreme Court was given the opportunity on two occasions in 2016 to address heartbeat legislation, and both times refused to hear the case allowing the lower court’s ruling to stand. Both of those states’ heartbeat laws have been ruled unconstitutional, never took effect, and saved not one unborn life.

But this year, the organization was quick to point out that the bench is different now. “As we look forward, Ohio Right to Life believes that it is now time to embrace the heartbeat bill as the next incremental approach to end abortion in Ohio,” said Marshal Pitchford, chairman of the ORTL board of trustees.

After years of taking a neutral stance on the policy, “we are now prepared to support our partners in Ohio’s pro-life movement to enact the heartbeat bill,” he said on Thursday. “With the additions of Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the US Supreme Court we believe this is the most pro-life court we have seen in generations. Now is the time to pursue this approach.”

The strategic shift by ORTL, the state chapter of America’s largest and oldest pro-life group, the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC), aligns them with fellow pro-life voices that argued for heartbeat bills on principle even when the court makeup was less favorable.

One of the most vocal critics of Kasich’s earlier veto was James Dobson, president of Family Talk and founder of Focus on the Family.

“This was a cowardly and shameful action,” Dobson said in 2016. “[T]here is a growing movement to finally reject the barbarism of abortion and to fully protect the rights of the unborn. This bill was an important step in that direction, and we mustn't be silent in response to the governor's action.”

However, some abortion-rights advocates did agree—though not happily—with ORTL at the time.

The 20-week-ban “may actually be a bigger threat to the pro-choice movement—a ban on abortion after 20 weeks, with no exceptions for rape, incest, or fetal anomaly, and only very limited exceptions for a woman’s health,” wrote Emily Crockett for Vox.

“Even if Kasich has let the six-week ban become law, it would have had no chance of surviving the inevitable, immediate court challenge that would follow,” she wrote. “But the 20-week ban might survive in court, and could eventually be taken up by the Supreme Court. And if it did, it would directly challenge Roe v. Wade.”

With its “fetal pain” law, Ohio joined 12 other states that have banned abortion after 20 weeks—technically, a few weeks before the viability deadline. The laws lean on the idea that unborn children are capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. This week, it became the 10th state to ban abortion through a procedure known as dilation and evacuation or “D&E.”

No state has successfully implemented a ban as early as Ohio’s heartbeat law, which would be the most restrictive abortion policy in the country if adopted by the next administration.

The incremental approach to stopping abortion has been effective—231 abortion restrictions were enacted in 27 states from 2011 to 2014, according to the Guttmacher Institute. The abortion rate in the United States is now the lowest since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973. Last month, the Centers for Disease Control reported that abortions fell 24 percent from 2006 to 2015.

Pro-lifers on various levels have disagreed over whether to continue relying on incrementalism or to take stronger moral stands on abortion regulations. When the pro-life “born alive” bill—protecting babies who survive abortion attempts—passed in the US House of Representatives a year ago, some advocates were disappointed the legislature hadn’t taken up a less popular national heartbeat bill.

The Christian group Operation Rescue had blamed NRLC for supporting the born-alive bill over the heartbeat bill, calling it “the one obstacle standing in the way of protecting nearly a million children” and “no greater betrayal of innocent blood since Judas.”

“It is not true that National Right to Life has blocked congressional consideration of the heartbeat bill. Nor is it true to say that National Right to Life lobbied congressional leadership against the heartbeat bill,” said Carol Tobias, NRLC president. “National Right to Life does not oppose the heartbeat bill. Divisiveness and attacks on fellow pro-lifers does not save babies.”

Tobias previously praised the US House of Representatives for passing the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act in 2013. Meanwhile the flagship pro-life group, which counts more than 3,000 chapters in all 50 states, jettisoned Georgia Right to Life for encouraging state senators to vote against the bill because it contained exceptions allowing later abortions in dire circumstances.

Some, including CT, argue that instead of contested medical findings, resistance to abortion should be based on the inherent dignity of the personhood of the child.

“If we have any historical memory, we know science is a fickle handmaiden,” wrote former CT managing editor Katelyn Beaty.

“We don't wish this to be true, but research may soon confirm that unborn babies can't experience pain until much later in development. Meanwhile, abortion providers could find ways to perform ‘pain-free’ abortions. Of course, in these cases we would still vehemently oppose the abortion, because we believe it takes a life, not just a life that feels pain.”

Similarly, as CT reported earlier this year, some doctors challenge the existence of a heartbeat as a measure of viability for the pregnancy.

Following the Ohio legislature’s failure to override Kasich’s veto, “Ohio Right to Life is prepared to support the current pro-life organizations working tirelessly to pass the heartbeat bill during the next General Assembly in 2019,” the group stated.

“We will partner with Greater Toledo Right to Life, Cleveland Right to Life, Right to Life of Greater Cincinnati and others to get the heartbeat bill to Governor-elect Mike DeWine’s desk. We make this public commitment today.”


Additional reporting by Kate Shellnutt.


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Re: Abortion Is Wrong - Change My Mind
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I’m Pro-Life | Change My Mind


Change My Mind: Abortion.

In a new segment called "Change My Mind", Steven Crowder takes to the streets to have real conversations with everyday people on hot button issues.


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I was watching one of his I'm Pro Life Change My Mind videos and this woman actually said that unborn babies are parasites. I think that's probably the worst thing I've ever heard someone say about an unborn baby.

Whereas scripture says: Psalm 139:13-16 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

Psalm 127:3 Behold, children are a gift of the LORD, The fruit of the womb is a reward.
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Fallen Angels Taught Abortion (It's Demonic, Pagan, and Luciferian)


Fallen Angels Taught Abortion (It's Demonic, Pagan, and Luciferian)
New York Abortion Law


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The Luciferians/Satanists want to influence and change the way people view abortions to be more in line with the way they think and what they practice when it comes to unborn babies and even babies at full term and unfortunately they are succeeding in doing that. People who support abortions really need to educate themselves about this because I don't think they would want to align themselves with Luciferians/Satanists. But that's what they're doing although they would deny that.
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
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REBUTTAL: The Left's EVIL Infanticide Agenda! | Louder With Crowder


Steven thoroughly dissects the Democrats' evil push for abortion and infanticide. Brace yourselves for the truth.


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Everything just got worse....Now in at least two cities, one can deliver the Baby and then decide if you need to keep it even if it does not have problems. They can abort the baby and the mother is dilated. 

SO SAD.....

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2019, 05:46:41 am »
Ashton Kutcher’s Pro-Life Post Gets 6 MILLION VIEWS In Response To NY Abortion Law


Frank Stevens, a man with Downs Syndrome speaks to Congress - Very Touching

7 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4ZWjiEw1f4&list=WL&t=0s&index=22
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