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A Fractured Community
« on: August 08, 2018, 02:43:17 pm »



Iíll get right down to it.  There are over 40,000 Christian denominations and that number grows every year.

Iíve attempted to shift doctrine, coerce individuals and centralize the focus on Jesus every since I was genuinely saved.

Love is the only equational answer that really matters.  I actually took the time to study up on the current persistent doctrine of the church of Satan and a suspicion Iíve always had was validated.

Two doctrines are exalted above all others there.  One doctrine demands that its adherents deny the existence of an actual Satan, while the other goes to lengths to explain that we should limit our Love as our ability to Love is limited.  The doctrine goes on to say Love is only genuine if a person hates, as well.

Now for a topic shift that goes hand in hand with that point.

The deepest fracture in Christianity comes from Christology.  Some say he was just a man.  Some say Heís God.  Some have complex belief systems that draw from lingual exegesis and systematic study of adoption.  Some say he was an Angel.

Hereís the thing, a spiritual fist fight breaks out over these differences.  The joke is always on us. 

Christians are told they will be known by their Love by Jesus Christ.  This is a pretty important point. 

Is ďTeachingĒ (doctrine) important?  Yes.  But, even teaching becomes useless when Hate enters the picture.  Iíll be sincere, I use words when I speak that would offend many people.  However, I have become growingly aware that my actions and words towards other people have enormous potential to build them up.  This is the core of minding our speech.  Iím certain that Satan aches to erase that God Simultaneously gave His life and Son to implore all to believe how deeply He Loves each of us.  (ALL Humanity)

Where there is discord, Iím growing to believe that the devils agenda is being satiated.   I donít have to be in agreement with someone to Love them.  On the flip side of the coin, when being perpetually cognizant of building others up, people that intentionally rip others apart stick out like a sore thumb.

What is my point?

My point is that I need to immerse myself into study about Godís mercy, Love and Compassion, then chase it with a refreshing study of how we are supposed to communicate with people that intentionally seek to bring discord, division and contention into atmospheres of Love and Unity in Christ.  I need to develop a debate style that is based on Love and Honesty that unflinchingly addresses the issues I addressed in the earlier part of this OP.

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If anyone would like to assist me in building the ďLove StyleĒ debate stance, Iím all ears and hope for scripture and suggested ideas.
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Re: A Fractured Community
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2018, 03:02:59 pm »
Iíll get right down to it.  There are over 40,000 Christian denominations and that number grows every year.

Iíve attempted to shift doctrine, coerce individuals and centralize the focus on Jesus every since I was genuinely saved.

Love is the only equational answer that really matters.  I actually took the time to study up on the current persistent doctrine of the church of Satan and a suspicion Iíve always had was validated.

Two doctrines are exalted above all others there.  One doctrine demands that its adherents deny the existence of an actual Satan, while the other goes to lengths to explain that we should limit our Love as our ability to Love is limited.  The doctrine goes on to say Love is only genuine if a person hates, as well.

Now for a topic shift that goes hand in hand with that point.

The deepest fracture in Christianity comes from Christology.  Some say he was just a man.  Some say Heís God.  Some have complex belief systems that draw from lingual exegesis and systematic study of adoption.  Some say he was an Angel.

Hereís the thing, a spiritual fist fight breaks out over these differences.  The joke is always on us. 

Christians are told they will be known by their Love by Jesus Christ.  This is a pretty important point. 

Is ďTeachingĒ (doctrine) important?  Yes.  But, even teaching becomes useless when Hate enters the picture.  Iíll be sincere, I use words when I speak that would offend many people.  However, I have become growingly aware that my actions and words towards other people have enormous potential to build them up.  This is the core of minding our speech.  Iím certain that Satan aches to erase that God Simultaneously gave His life and Son to implore all to believe how deeply He Loves each of us.  (ALL Humanity)

Where there is discord, Iím growing to believe that the devils agenda is being satiated.   I donít have to be in agreement with someone to Love them.  On the flip side of the coin, when being perpetually cognizant of building others up, people that intentionally rip others apart stick out like a sore thumb.

What is my point?

My point is that I need to immerse myself into study about Godís mercy, Love and Compassion, then chase it with a refreshing study of how we are supposed to communicate with people that intentionally seek to bring discord, division and contention into atmospheres of Love and Unity in Christ.  I need to develop a debate style that is based on Love and Honesty that unflinchingly addresses the issues I addressed in the earlier part of this OP.

 Iíll close with a song I seriously enjoy.  The Lyrics are there if the type of music doesnít appeal to your particular taste.

Spoiler (hover to show)

If anyone would like to assist me in building the ďLove StyleĒ debate stance, Iím all ears and hope for scripture and suggested ideas.

Personally, iíd Like to see Christians stop making every attempt they can to charge a brother and sister with heresy at the first sign of disagreement lol. Weíve all kinda become fluent at using scripture to shut down one belief while championing our own brand of faith. Iíve often wondered if the Bible was allowed to be understood the way it has, to actually encourage different types of thinkers in Christianity? Sometimes you need a guy to think outside of the box before you can solve a problem.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 06:21:42 pm »
Iíll get right down to it.  There are over 40,000 Christian denominations and that number grows every year.

Iíve attempted to shift doctrine, coerce individuals and centralize the focus on Jesus every since I was genuinely saved.

Love is the only equational answer that really matters.  I actually took the time to study up on the current persistent doctrine of the church of Satan and a suspicion Iíve always had was validated.

Two doctrines are exalted above all others there.  One doctrine demands that its adherents deny the existence of an actual Satan, while the other goes to lengths to explain that we should limit our Love as our ability to Love is limited.  The doctrine goes on to say Love is only genuine if a person hates, as well.

Now for a topic shift that goes hand in hand with that point.

The deepest fracture in Christianity comes from Christology.  Some say he was just a man.  Some say Heís God.  Some have complex belief systems that draw from lingual exegesis and systematic study of adoption.  Some say he was an Angel.

Hereís the thing, a spiritual fist fight breaks out over these differences.  The joke is always on us. 

Christians are told they will be known by their Love by Jesus Christ.  This is a pretty important point. 

Is ďTeachingĒ (doctrine) important?  Yes.  But, even teaching becomes useless when Hate enters the picture.  Iíll be sincere, I use words when I speak that would offend many people.  However, I have become growingly aware that my actions and words towards other people have enormous potential to build them up.  This is the core of minding our speech.  Iím certain that Satan aches to erase that God Simultaneously gave His life and Son to implore all to believe how deeply He Loves each of us.  (ALL Humanity)

Where there is discord, Iím growing to believe that the devils agenda is being satiated.   I donít have to be in agreement with someone to Love them.  On the flip side of the coin, when being perpetually cognizant of building others up, people that intentionally rip others apart stick out like a sore thumb.

What is my point?

My point is that I need to immerse myself into study about Godís mercy, Love and Compassion, then chase it with a refreshing study of how we are supposed to communicate with people that intentionally seek to bring discord, division and contention into atmospheres of Love and Unity in Christ.  I need to develop a debate style that is based on Love and Honesty that unflinchingly addresses the issues I addressed in the earlier part of this OP.

 Iíll close with a song I seriously enjoy.  The Lyrics are there if the type of music doesnít appeal to your particular taste.

Spoiler (hover to show)

If anyone would like to assist me in building the ďLove StyleĒ debate stance, Iím all ears and hope for scripture and suggested ideas.

Personally, iíd Like to see Christians stop making every attempt they can to charge a brother and sister with heresy at the first sign of disagreement lol. Weíve all kinda become fluent at using scripture to shut down one belief while championing our own brand of faith. Iíve often wondered if the Bible was allowed to be understood the way it has, to actually encourage different types of thinkers in Christianity? Sometimes you need a guy to think outside of the box before you can solve a problem.

So, Iíll go so far as to say Iím certain He allowed for scripture to be seen from multiple angles and not for confusion, as we know He doesnít author confusion.

He was very plain when He gave us the Oldest and Newest command, to Love one another.  I sincerely appreciate your reply and encouragement.  Perfect Love casts out all fear and Love covers a multitude of sins.  We who are forgiven much, Love much, those who are forgiven little Love little.  That L word is the Golden thread that runs through scripture, right next to the Lineage of Jesus Christ.

He takes hearts of stone and turns them into fertile soil that bares the fruits of Love to a hurting and grieved world.  He really can make Love out of nothing at all.  :D

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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2018, 06:37:27 pm »
Iím definitely not an ďit can only be read one wayĒ person. Iím pretty sure it was custom made so that all of us can learn the same things. Some people are more keen on certain lessons within the passages, others take a bit of extra work to get there. I agree, it isnít for confusion. I think it is supposed to help us, even though we use it to fight each other all of the time. Debating and learning is cool, but some people put their entire faith into a specific part of their theology. Itís like they refuse to worship or acknowledge God if He doesnít work by their own personal definition of fairness.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2018, 07:44:47 pm »
Iím definitely not an ďit can only be read one wayĒ person. Iím pretty sure it was custom made so that all of us can learn the same things. Some people are more keen on certain lessons within the passages, others take a bit of extra work to get there. I agree, it isnít for confusion. I think it is supposed to help us, even though we use it to fight each other all of the time. Debating and learning is cool, but some people put their entire faith into a specific part of their theology. Itís like they refuse to worship or acknowledge God if He doesnít work by their own personal definition of fairness.

In 1 Corinthians Paul asks if Christ is divided, but a large portion of Christianity is singing to this anthem.

https://youtu.be/WWH85xlhZbI
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2018, 08:04:02 pm »
In 1 Corinthians Paul asks if Christ is divided, but a large portion of Chriatianity is singing to this anthem.

https://youtu.be/WWH85xlhZbI

Exactly, Christianity is made up of different people from different backgrounds, good! That helps us specialize in reaching others! But we get caught up in how weíre all different for some reason, we forget that we are Christians and focus on being an apologist for this, that, and the other lol. Of course, you know this and all iím Doing is long-windedly agreeing with you
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2018, 08:47:52 pm »
Iím definitely not an ďit can only be read one wayĒ person. Iím pretty sure it was custom made so that all of us can learn the same things. Some people are more keen on certain lessons within the passages, others take a bit of extra work to get there. I agree, it isnít for confusion. I think it is supposed to help us, even though we use it to fight each other all of the time. Debating and learning is cool, but some people put their entire faith into a specific part of their theology. Itís like they refuse to worship or acknowledge God if He doesnít work by their own personal definition of fairness.

I agree whole heartedly that there is a central theology people can grow towards and at the same time patience and Love is utterly imperative, while the fighting and snazzy apologetics only seem to throw gasoline on the issue.

Some people will never budge from their view, but Love and listening can go a long way towards their very spirit.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2018, 07:13:52 am »
In this brief clip from our 2012 National Conference, W. Robert Godfrey encourages us to pursue useful knowledge.


https://youtu.be/o1Fk7uGYy1c
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2018, 08:47:20 am »
It does sometimes get to a point for me when iím Studying or looking at a topic and I ask myself ďAm I picking up any useful wisdom or am I really just sitting on a pile of fun facts and trivia over here?Ē Not to say that the Bible is trivial, but, sometimes I forget what actually matters and what doesnít matter as much. Theological study holds a great wealth of information, sometimes I wonder if I shouldnít start learning to sew with camel hair lol. If I put all of my knowledge in a coffer, would Jesus walk by and kick it over and chase me out some days?
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2018, 03:47:10 pm »
being emotional can be a great hindrance, I am sure God is emotional...yet the bible is not an emotional book.

Man is in his natural state body, soul and spirit...but his spirit is dead in trespasses and sins...so his soul takes over in matters that relate to his inner self, it is from there that our emotions [passions] reign supreme.

When we's saved our spirits come ALIVE

Our saved state is spirit, soul and body...we have to learn how to walk as spiritual in the Holy Spirit keeping emotions in their proper place.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2018, 06:24:57 pm »
Army Of One....Calling All Brothers And Sisters....Its Time To Love❤

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Army Of One....Calling All Brothers And Sisters....Its Time To Love❤

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What's Your Scientific Theory for Love...? (Scientism vs Biblical Truth)



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