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That you have never seen an interpretation of our pre-earth existence in the bible does NOT mean it is not there when it is just as possible that our being created on earth bias has taken over as the ONLY interpretation. A verse that can be interpreted to infer our pre-earth existence but which is ignored because of our created on earth bias is called a hint, just like the Divine suffering Messiah was hinted at throughout the scripture but not recognized due to the bias of the rabbis.

Take the most well known verse that hints at our pre-earth life: Jeremiah 1:5  "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."  Everyone when they first read this says, "Hey, does this say we were alive before we were in the womb?" and quickly learns that not only does it not mean this but is a hated Mormon doctrine. The obvious meaning that is rejected due to a theological position is a hint. It is obvious that the verse can have this meaning but theology has chosen to ignore it for another meaning...GOD only knew us pre-earth in HIS imagination...otherwise it upsets orthodox  doctrine...that is, doctrine is used to find a verse's meaning  rather than the meaning being found in the verse to create doctrine...

That all verses that are hints to pce have been interpreted as something else for centuries means that you can read them and never even see that they might contain a hint to pce, nor can you find a commentary that accepts our pre-conception existence though the best will mention it. Like Ps 9:17 The wicked do turn back / return to Sheol, All nations forgetting God.  Going to Sheol is the result of a judgment. The implication is clear. The wicked are punished by being sent to Sheol instead of heaven. The word is translated as return 391 times by the biased KJV, just not here in this verse.


TURN BACK; Strong’s H7725 shûb - shoob
A primitive root; to turn back
to return, turn back
• to turn back
• to return, come or go back
• to return unto, go back, come back


English Standard Version
The wicked shall RETURN to Sheol, all the nations that forget God.


Berean Study Bible
The wicked will RETURN to Sheol—all the nations who forget God.


New American Standard Bible 
The wicked will RETURN to Sheol, Even all the nations who forget God.


IF the wicked RETURN to Sheol, logic and ordinary use of language indicates that they were there before but left. We have humans coming from Sheol and then returning back to there. We also have Christ telling us that the good seed, the people of the kingdom are sown into the world by the Son of Man and the people of the evil one are sown into the world by the devil, Matt 13:36-39. Where were they before they were sown? And sown cannot mean to be created as the devil does this sowing also and he can't create people. Does this verse refer to the moving of people from Sheol attested to by Ps 9:17 and Psalm 139:11-15?  How can it be when orthodoxy has already declares it means something else and cannot be a reference hint to our pce. And we got the King James Bible to keep us straight (or to hide the fact of PCE?) about the orthodox interpretation, that is: The wicked shall be turned into sheol, and all the nations that forget God. ignoring to mention it was a return to where they were before.

Now if there were only two or three verses like this ordinary hermeneutics demands that they be accepted as a witness but what if there were in fact dozens, all suppressed? People generally are not willing to do the work to parse the verses to see if a hint could be hidden in scripture even if I provide them - just too many spilling apples!!