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Re: Progressive Revelation
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2019, 05:24:34 pm »

No not really.... Daniel's Book was only sealed up until John's Revelation continued it. Of course those in the OT would not have understood anyway. There is a big disagreement even to day when the ends are printed in Revelation.

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The Book of the Revelation of John cannot have been the fulfillment of Daniel's scroll being opened in the end times because it was written ABOUT the end times, not IN OR DURING  the end times. Daniels book more closely refers to the scroll of Rev 10 which encourages more prophecy, supposedly about something new.

NO,,Daniel and Revelation are hand in Hand. Chapter 12:.."And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end."

Rev. is about the end times. It was written in 95-96 and can be considered written in the end days. Of course all of the Books after Jesus' crucifixion are consider written during the "End Days" fore we have been waiting for Jesus to remove His Bride (CHurch of His BODY) from this earth before the 70thy week of Daniel commences.

Again, Rev. and Dan. go hand in hand.

Daniel refers to the Antichrist to come in Dan 9:26-27. That is long before Rev. 10.

We are talking about prophecy but the biggest concern I have is that everyone who decides that the end times are not coming because they already happened are not saved.

The Church (body of Christ) is still hear and according to Revelation 4:1 on the Church is in Heaven.  I can tell you , I am not in Heaven yet.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Progressive Revelation
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2019, 12:31:59 pm »
 

The New testament canon itself speaks of a secret teaching:


John 20:9    For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.   
John 20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus?  John 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener?, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him? hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

Mark 4:11-12 The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding'.

Matt. 13:11-12 "He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance."

Matt. 11:25-26 "At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and Earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure."


Matthew 13:35  So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: "I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."


If you are interested in what Paul has to say in the matter:
1 Cor. 2:6-8 "We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began."


1 Cor. 4:1 "So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God."


In Hebrews we are told by the author:
Heb. 5:11-14 "We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn. In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

We are permanently drinking milk instead of partaking of spiritually mature solid food. We need to be spiritually mature, but instead of moving forward we have come to halt.

Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Re: Progressive Revelation
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2019, 07:14:13 pm »
 

The New testament canon itself speaks of a secret teaching:


John 20:9    For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.   
John 20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus?  John 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener?, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him? hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

Mark 4:11-12 The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding'.

Matt. 13:11-12 "He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance."

Matt. 11:25-26 "At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and Earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure."


Matthew 13:35  So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: "I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."


If you are interested in what Paul has to say in the matter:
1 Cor. 2:6-8 "We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began."


1 Cor. 4:1 "So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God."


In Hebrews we are told by the author:
Heb. 5:11-14 "We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn. In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

We are permanently drinking milk instead of partaking of spiritually mature solid food. We need to be spiritually mature, but instead of moving forward we have come to halt.



Wow,, You are out there.
Balde
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Progressive Revelation
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2019, 01:15:18 am »

Wow,, You are out there.
Balde

I quote scripture about a new revelation being needed and I'm scorned ?? Tell Me About what is so awful about PCE that we should accept blasphemies to avoid it?
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Re: Progressive Revelation
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2019, 10:13:12 pm »

Wow,, You are out there.
Balde

I quote scripture about a new revelation being needed and I'm scorned ?? Tell Me About what is so awful about PCE that we should accept blasphemies to avoid it?

Being Needed?????PCE is not real...it is  a fairy tale. Please wake up.

Blade


1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Progressive Revelation
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2019, 02:55:15 pm »
If  PROPHECY IS GIVEN WE NEED TO GET IT SOMEDAY...pretending it is never going to happen is like a foolish virgin.


Sure is easier to attack me than to provide substantive exegesis,eh?
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Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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