+- User

Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Forgot your password?

+-Stats ezBlock

Total Members: 98
Latest: meshak
New This Month: 3
New This Week: 0
New Today: 0
Total Posts: 8329
Total Topics: 545
Most Online Today: 319
Most Online Ever: 771
(July 30, 2019, 01:13:39 am)
Users Online
Members: 0
Guests: 137
Total: 137

Author Topic: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro  (Read 1634 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.


  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1141
  • Karma: +1010/-0
  • My Friend
  • Location: Tennessee, USA
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
« on: September 18, 2019, 08:30:53 pm »
I have heard this theory expressed in many ways.
Which theory"? The GAP theory which I reject or PCE which I espouse? I do not find the following in PCE traditions:
One was that all the pre-created spirit beings had to consent to becoming man (a physical creation in the physical creation of earth).
Satan/Lucifer would not consent and that is why he was cursed with no chance of redemption.
Satan thought he should rise to a higher state, not humble himself to a lower state.

Now this is fanciful, :)

Please consider:
Satan and his crew sinned the unforgivable sin of attributing to GOD evil in HIS nature, in HIS intent and in HIS actions. IF they were still forgivable then they would be forgiven; ie, no one who can be saved will not be saved.

Then he and his were flung to the earth and bound by chains OF darkness ie blinded to the truth of YHWH's Divinity and Righteousness by their own desire to be evil, Rom 1:21+

  Revelation 12:4  Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.

Flung is the same word used twice in Rev 12:7 Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. 9 And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Since flung has a meaning of harsh treatment from anger and it is also a strange thing for Satan to dispel a third of his cohorts BEFORE the war with Michael et al started, I suggest that the 1/3 he flung to earth were the elect who came under his spell and sinned which, though sinners, were of no use to him (since they were elect) therefore he rejected them, got them out of his way, before the war started.

Thus all sinners, elect sinners and eternally evil sinners, were sent to Sheol in the centre of the earth to await their time to be sown into the world as per Matt 13:36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “EXPLAIN to us the parable of the tares of the field.” 37 And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil...to which the wicked return upon death: Ps 9:17 The wicked do turn back to / return to Sheol, All nations forgetting God.  Going to Sheol is the result of a judgment. The implication is clear. The wicked are punished by being sent to back to Sheol instead of heaven. The word is translated as return 391 times by the biased KJV, just not here in this verse.

Your PCE theology would make a good science fiction book.

1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."


Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
11 Replies
Last post May 08, 2019, 10:23:55 pm
by Bladerunner
4 Replies
Last post November 16, 2018, 05:27:47 pm
by patrick jane
19 Replies
Last post July 06, 2019, 11:51:16 am
by patrick jane

+-Recent Topics

Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos by patrick jane
Today at 01:14:38 pm

Today at 08:44:23 am

Christ's Ways by Olde Tymer
Today at 07:31:37 am

Christianity Today Magazine - November 2019 by patrick jane
Today at 03:20:58 am

Your Favorite Music, Images and Memes by truthjourney
Today at 02:02:36 am

November 21, 2019, 07:37:10 pm

Re: Politics Today by Bladerunner
November 21, 2019, 06:24:14 pm

Re: Trump 2020 - Winning !!! by Bladerunner
November 21, 2019, 06:19:37 pm

Politics Today by Bladerunner
November 21, 2019, 06:17:48 pm

Trump 2020 - Winning !!! by Bladerunner
November 21, 2019, 06:16:37 pm

Prayer Wall - Chaplain Brian From Theology Forums by patrick jane
November 21, 2019, 09:13:20 am

Chaplain's Chit Chat by patrick jane
November 21, 2019, 09:11:25 am

Killer Whale Live Streams On YouTube by patrick jane
November 21, 2019, 09:09:52 am

The Satanic Infiltration of Flat Earth by patrick jane
November 21, 2019, 09:04:37 am

Fear and Loathing In The Flat Earth by patrick jane
November 21, 2019, 09:04:14 am

November 20, 2019, 03:15:12 pm

Hong Kong 2019 by Bladerunner
November 19, 2019, 08:13:17 pm

Late Term Abortion Law by Bladerunner
November 19, 2019, 08:08:19 pm