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Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2021, 04:20:04 pm »
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The Pre-Conception Existence (PCE) of the soul / spirit. All spirits created in the image of GOD were created at the same time BEFORE the creation of the physical universe which we all saw, Job 38:7 and Rom 1:20.

Okay- I now understand a little better where you are coming from...  you are equating 'ben elohim' (sons of God) with these spirits who were shouting for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth.
Not 'equating' - merely reporting that those are the words in the text...

How about the morning stars?  --From that same passage in Job it mentions that 'the morning stars' AND the sons of God were present. If you focus on one, you shouldn't ignore the other.  If the ben elohim sons of God are the spirit beings that later become human beings, what then are the morning stars that were present at the same time-- singing together during the setting of the cornerstone and the measuring out of that foundation of the earth?

The morning stars either
-  refers to all the Sons of [size=78%]GOD in Hebraic [/size]repetition[size=78%] for effect or[/size]
-  they refer to another group deifferent formthe sons of GOD.

Now we know that there are some of HIS creation who are NOT sons but illegitimate: Deuteronomy 32:5 “They have corrupted themselves; They are not His children because of their blemish but a perverse and crooked generation.


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their blemish is that they are not HIS children.


World English Bible
They have dealt corruptly with him, [they are] not his children, [it is] their blemish. [They are] a perverse and crooked generation.

PCE suggests that creation does not make us HIS sons or this could not be written, ie equating illegitimacy to perversity. Therefore, on the basis of Col 1:23 suggesting that the proclamation of of the gospel was a finished, fully completed act heard by EVERY creature under heaven, implying even the ones sown into mankind (Matt 13:36-34) and that this precipitated us to choose to believe it or not, a choice which separated all of creation into elect or non-elect by where each person put his faith.


Since a free will decision by faith, which is an unproven hope, must be by definition unproven, we can see that once the proof is given, then no more free will to accept or deny HIS gospel is available. The creation of the physical universe was the proof that locked the non-elect into their need to bow to sin and continue to exchange the truth they clearly saw and knew for the lie because they now loved sin more as per Rom 1:18 to the end.


This the creation of the physical universe had to happen AFTER everyone had chosen their eternal relationship with YHWH as HIS elect or as HIS eternal enemies...and the stupendous nature of the creation as the proof of HIS deity and power caused even those totally opposed to HIM, as a liar and a false god,[/size][size=78%] that is[/size][/size][size=78%], the morning stars,[/size][/size][size=78%] sang HIS praises for joy, even as they knew they were doomed to hell for their unforgivable sin.[/size]
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[/size][size=78%]Which [/size]scenario[size=78%] this might be, I do not profess to know.[/size][size=78%]


Romans 1 says that it was through creation of the world that the invisible became visible.  Do you agree?  The invisible attributes of God became visible through creation.  Don't you think that this would hold true in the forming (within the womb) of man?  The invisible attributes of God become visible.... before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.... invisible/spiritual/united  -then the invisible becomes visible in creation.
The invisible att[/size][size=78%]ributes of HIS dei[/size][/size][size=78%]ty [/size]and power[size=78%] were made visible that is PROVEN, by the creation of the physical universe to all those (whomever they were) who were watching!![/size][size=78%]

[/size][size=78%]Where is there any hint that it was not us who were watching before we were sown into our earthly bodies by either Christ or the devil, [/size][size=78%]Matt 13:36-30[/size][size=78%]? ? There is not one verse in the [/size]bible[size=78%] that says [/size]straight[size=78%] out or even hints obliquely that our pre-conception existence is impossible.[/size][size=78%]

[/size][size=78%][I chose [/size]nothing[size=78%] except bold from the eding menu, not my keyboard - the [/size]editing[size=78%] difficulties are not made by me...so I hope to be left alone about it and that it gets fixed!][/size][size=78%]
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