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The Pre-Conception Existence (PCE) of the soul / spirit. All spirits created in the image of GOD were created at the same time BEFORE the creation of the physical universe which we all saw, Job 38:7 and Rom 1:20.

Okay- I now understand a little better where you are coming from...  you are equating 'ben elohim' (sons of God) with these spirits who were shouting for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth.

How about the morning stars?  --From that same passage in Job it mentions that 'the morning stars' AND the sons of God were present. If you focus on one, you shouldn't ignore the other.  If the ben elohim sons of God are the spirit beings that later become human beings, what then are the morning stars that were present at the same time-- singing together during the setting of the cornerstone and the measuring out of that foundation of the earth?

Romans 1 says that it was through creation of the world that the invisible became visible.  Do you agree?  The invisible attributes of God became visible through creation.  Don't you think that this would hold true in the forming (within the womb) of man?  The invisible attributes of God become visible.... before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.... invisible/spiritual/united  -then the invisible becomes visible in creation.