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JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
« on: June 09, 2019, 10:03:13 pm »
     JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
This category deals with some Scriptures which I feel have something to say about why GOD has not brought HIS enemies to judgement yet. Why the holy, all powerful, infinitely loving GOD still allows evil persons to exist in seemingly as much freedom as the righteous is probably the biggest mystery (apparent contradiction to some) in the mirky Christian view of things. In other words, no one has really come up with an answer that the majority of Christians find acceptable[1] for such questions as: why didn't GOD judge all the evil angels when they rebelled (why they were just put out of Paradise and left free to roam the earthly realms - why hasn't GOD judged the serpent?); and why hasn't Jesus returned to hold His judgement yet?
 
Well, pre-conception existence theology has an answer, to wit: that it was GOD's intention to judge all evil persons (which includes all the evil angels) at the very first opportunity (which took place over 5000 years ago) but that HIS judgement had to be postponed because of the unwillingness of some of HIS elect creatures to join HIM in this judgement (and because of HIS unwillingness to condemn them along with the eternally evil). Therefore, HIS judgement has and will continue to be postponed until all of HIS elect become willing to join HIM in it.[2]

Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they (the Israelites) shall come hither (to the Promised Land) again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. Now, the thing that I'd like you to note is that Israel's return to the Promised Land had to be postponed. My first question is why did it have to be postponed? Was it because the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full enough for their judgement? Okay, then my second question is who wasn't it full enough for? It should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about the totally defiling nature of just one sin, that the Amorites were full enough in GOD's sight already.[3] So then, just who still looked on their iniquity as not being full yet, that is, as not being bad enough to warrant this judgement (that had to take place before Israel's return)?

According to pre-conception existence theology, there was a four generation postponement of GOD's judgement because the Amorites were not yet bad enough in the eyes of the Israelites for the Israelites to be willing to judge them according to the judgement decreed by GOD. Therefore, the Israelites became and had to stay enslaved in Egypt[4] until they became willing to judge them, that is, until the Israelites became holy (obedient) enough to see them all judged: men, women and children. (See Joshua 6:21; 8:26,27; 10:40[5])


Now, this judgement against the Amorites is typical of the judgement that has to take place before we can inherit the antitypical “Promised Land”, ie, before GOD's people can enter into the truest millennium. According to pre-conception existence theology, this antitypical judgement has also been postponed, once again because the elect do not yet look on the iniquity of HIS enemies as being bad enough to warrant HIS eternal judgement and wrath on them. Therefore, we too have had to remain in Egypt[6], that is, outside of the “Promised Land”, still waiting until we become holy enough to have all of GOD's enemies (men, women and children, even the ones that look like little wee babies!) killed, that is, judged and forever exiled to hell. Need I say more?[7]
 
Matthew 13:28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto Him, Wilt Thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But He said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them Whose fault was it that GOD's enemies got to do this mixing up? Was GOD too weak to stop them? Or are we to believe that this waiting had to be because GOD could not teach HIS angels to differentiate between HIS children and HIS enemies? (Are the angels blind too?) Surely we cannot believe that GOD was unable to bring about this separation because of some fault in HIM or HIS angels, right? Then, the fault that caused this mix up and delay must be in the wheat. Hence, from this parable we should be able to see that the judgement of GOD has been delayed because the elect are not separate in spirit from the non-elect, and that for this reason they will have to live together until the tares can be gathered, that is, separated from the elect and burned [8] without any harm coming to any one of the elect.
 
Matthew 22:3 And (HE) sent forth HIS servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 4 Again, HE sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared MY dinner: MY oxen and MY fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.   In this parable we can see that the marriage (feast) was ready to take place, and would have, if those who were invited had come. But they would not, twice even! Therefore it kept being postponed presumably until the time when it would be furnished with guests.

Now since this marriage (feast) takes place before the judgement, then the judgement must also have been postponed, and if we look for a reason, it must be because the guests would not come (out from among HIS enemies) to the marriage feast. So once again we receive the witness that the judgement of GOD has been postponed because of the unholiness of HIS people, which means something theological I think.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!   Jerusalem went into political dispersion around 600 BC. Since that time they have never really ever been all together within their own country, under their own (Jewish) king. Christ said that He had the solution to their big problem, to wit: His kingdom (regathering and sovereign protection). Moreover, He said that He had been ready to put His salvation into action many times previously. Unfortunately, His salvation-regathering was conditional and it would seem that they had never been willing to do their part. Therefore it had been postponed each and every time. Moreover, we can see that “Jerusalem” still was not willing to do its part.

Now I hope that you are also able to see that this little story is only typical of a much larger story that has a judgement in it. Therefore once again we have a witness to the effect that GOD is ready to proceed with HIS judgement but that it has been postponed because of the disobedience, rebellion, unwillingness to leave the world and unholiness of His people (the reasons for why they would not). [9]
  Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.  If the kingdom was prepared away back then, why will it take so much time for us to enter it? Perhaps it's because these things have been postponed since that time. According to pre-conception theology, this verse has a much fuller meaning than any other theology gives it, to wit: prepared for you means that we could have entered it way back when, like, even back when we used to think Adam and Eve had it.

 
Romans 9:22 What if GOD, willing to show HIS wrath, and to make HIS power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction?   This verse says that GOD was (is) willing to judge and prove [10]  to HIS people that HE is the sovereign GOD, but that HE has to endure with much long-suffering the temporary abrogation of justice concerning those vessels doomed to wrath. In verse  23 ( Romans 9:23  And that HE might make known the riches of HIS glory on the vessels of mercy, which HE had afore prepared unto glory. Paul gives a reason why GOD had to do this thing which he obviously did not like or want, that being so that HE could show all the elect the riches of HIS glory. This must include the fact that HIS way is so much better than any other way, and that HIS judgement is necessary, that it can not be abrogated if we are going to live in peace with HIM in HIS kingdom. [11]

According to the adherents of pre-conception theology, that is what you are supposed to be learning down here. That is what GOD wants you to learn from this life. Now wouldn't you say that they match really well? This verse also presupposes that the vessels of wrath existed all during this time of postponement, for when we consider that the number of those who will be judged is a known and fixed number in GOD's omniscient sight, we must also realise that they all must have existed at the very first time HE was willing to bring them to judgement. This then constitutes another proof of their existence before their conception.
 
1 Peter 4:5 Who shall give account to Him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. If GOD is ready to judge them why doesn't HE do it? ??? !!!! What in the world (hint hint) is stopping HIM if HE is ready? Something must be stopping HIM if HE is ready but it isn't happening. Hence, we can see additional testimony that GOD's judgement has been and still is being postponed against HIS will.


2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of GOD. In verse 12, hasting unto may mean “hastening the coming”, as the NIV has it, “speed its coming”. If this is true, then one can not help but wonder how it is possible that we can hasten the coming of the day of GOD's judgement? What part do we have in it? Well, may I suggest that if it was postponed because of our disobedience (unholiness), then we probably will have to repent of that disobedience and get into all holy conversation before it will happen.


Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar [12] the souls of them that were slain for the word of GOD, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O LORD, holy and true, dost THOU not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?[13] 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them: and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Well, from these verses we can see a few things. First, some people were definitely holy, that is, the ones that had already been martyred. They were ready to go to the judgement. [14] Second,we can see that GOD wasn't ready to go, even though HE is holy and true. Third, we can see part of the reason why GOD wasn't ready to go, to wit: it was necessary that some more of GOD's children be martyred. 

 Now, the question that comes to mind is why did they have to be martyred? Why couldn't GOD hold HIS judgement right then and save them from all that torment and pain? According to pre-conception theology, HIS judgement had to be postponed, that is, couldn't happen yet, because some of GOD's children were still unholy, that is, if HE held the judgement right then, they would be condemned too. Therefore, HIS judgement had to be postponed until after they all were martyred, that is, made holy through martyrdom, because that's what it would take for them to become holy. [15] (Sense, reason and the Bible weren’t working for them.)



Revelation 10:6 And sware by Him that liveth forever and ever, Who created heaven, and the things therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer. Someone in his commentary (#21) said: “The translation of this phrase in the AV (KJV) is very misleading: 'that there should be time no longer.'..." What the angel announces is that there will be no more time intervening before the coming of the end.
 The consummation will be no longer delayed; the prayers of the saints 6:10 [16] are about to be answered.” Well then, surmising that this comment is correct and that we have understood it correctly, we can see that this verse intimates that the judgement of GOD has been delayed, that is, that it was suppose to happen earlier but something stopped it.
 
Do you still have any doubts as to the cause of this postponement? Could you be unwilling to let GOD vent his wrath (hurt to HIS utmost) and exile to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone forever, your "nice" but unfaithful, unholy, friend, baby, [17] child or partner? Perhaps it would be good to remind you of Matthew 10:34-37 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.


In Conclusion
From these Scriptures it seems to be fairly apparent that GOD's judgement is being delayed, and that this delay is against HIS will. In other words, something is forcing the all-powerful GOD to do something HE does not want to do. What solution do you have for this problem? Does it really fit in well with all the other Scriptures? What part of YHWH's self-attesting revelation to us do you have to sacrifice to make it creditable?


May I verily, verily suggest that only pre-conception theology has an answer for this peculiar situation that does not ask its adherents to set aside other Scriptures or to look on GOD as being other than infinitely loving, all powerful and holy. Think about it! This is the only one that is right about the meaning of life and history. [18] All the rest are wrong! [19]
 
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 Notes for: Judgement Postponed.
1. I'm not saying that we haven't come up with any. There are some around, but none of them seems that easy to digest in the opinion of the vast majority of Christians.


2. In other words, we haven't so much a war between good and evil as we have a war between GOD and HIS people, with the evil getting to beat on both of THEm. (Just the old divide and conquer routine. Works pretty good eh? One of the big keys to the devil’s successes on this planet has been his ability to keep the good people in the different countries divided, that is, against each other. He uses false priests to do it.)

3. Like, when GOD finally judges the world, HE is going to condemn “a lot of people who are not near as bad as the Amorites were”.

4. Or wandering in the wilderness, if they'd been freed from Egypt.

5. Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 8:26,27  For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which HE commanded Joshua. Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD GOD of Israel commanded.

6. Or, wandering in the wilderness, if we've been converted.

7. Undoubtedly!!!!

8. Any tares in your immediate area that need gathered up and burned? They have all had over 5000 years to repent you know. Do you really think that they will change their mind if we give them a few more years? Or will they just use the time to poison and destroy the Earth some more?

9. It sort of looks like some still don't believe Him about which is the better place to be. They'd still rather be out in the world eating big, fat, juicy worms! But they'd better watch out because the other end of that “incredibly huge worm” has a very big serpent’s head on it!!!!!

10. Not necessarily for the first time!

11. Many put forth another interpretation to the effect that the riches of HIS glory means HIS power and justice. This interpretation is not valid because, first, as stated in Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of HIM from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even HIS eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse:, HIS power has been known since the beginning; and second, because of the fact that a perfect system of justice does not need a criminal in order to be perfect. Even if one is unwilling to accept this fact, one must still accept that a system of justice which needs a criminal in order to be perfectly appreciated, still does not need more than one criminal. Hence, GOD would have to put only one person in hell for us to have the complete appreciation of the riches of HIS glory.

12. Altars are for altering things.

13. Notice that they didn't ask “why”, just how long.

14. It's also interesting to note that they did not get their white robes before this (like when they became converted or went up to heaven). They got them only after they had made this saving confession of faith unto holiness.

15. Like, how many times have you prayed the prayer of holiness? Will you have to be martyred first? I believe quite a few Christians think that there will be a lot of martyrs in the last days. (Needless to say, they don't get to preach very often.) If they're right about it, what do you think your chances are of escaping it? Well, I'll tell you: if you're not willing to be holy, they are exactly zero! Hell's angels are coming for you!

16. Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O LORD, holy and true, doest THOU not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

17. Of course GOD wouldn't judge your baby if it had just been created but, if it has been in existence as a spiritually knowledgeable, sinning, unrepentant satanic person for over 5000 years, He just might eh?

18. Just like the first time, when all the Jews were wrong about the Messiah. If they were going to keep being right with HIM, they had to change then, didn't they? And I'll wager that if you are going to keep being right with HIM this time, you are going to have to change too. But hey, it’s nicer once you’ve made the change.

19. And it's not just a case of the present day theologies simply being outdated by a new theology. No indeed!! They've always been wrong.

I once asked a budding theologian to criticise this manuscript. He got this far and stopped (somewhat dead in his tracks) leaving me with this comment: “I would scrap the last lines of this chapter. The thought of attaining an ultimate revelation is coercive and presumptuous to me! JEHOVAH has never committed HIMSELF in detail, and through the vast, very vast studies that I have entertained, I have never encountered such a childish, mediocre, presumptuous statement as all the rest are wrong. This is not in accordance with a spirit of luminosity. To assume, that through the centuries, ALL that theologians have written is wrong, is an ultimate statement of PRIDE!, especially coming from you, who knows so little and has studied so few!”
To this spirit of luminosity and brotherhood (he says that I'm still and will always be his brother in the LORD) in my defence, I would like to say that, first of all, I have never claimed to have the ultimate revelation, just another revelation. I leave it up to those who have studied this new revelation to decide for themselves if it’s an ultimate revelation or not.
Second, I believe that YHWH has committed HIMSELF in some detail regularly throughout the ages. We usually call it the Bible and it has a lot of concrete details in it. To supply a key that makes the details make much more sense, although it might be coercive (toward holiness and true humility) certainly is not presumptuous, especially if one has been given the key and told to disclose it, especially if the key has been shown to work, which has been the case with every Christian (thus far) who has spent enough time to learn how to use the pre-existence key to a much fuller (or enlightened) Christian understanding.

Thirdly, all the books in our very vast libraries contain next to nothing on pre-existence. Therefore everyone, including those who might have read almost every book, is a neophyte when it comes to pre-existence... well, almost everyone. I have spent over twelve years studying pre-existence theology at the time if this writing. I believe that these studies put me twelve years ahead of even the best read theologians.

Fourthly, I do admit that faulting all the rest is not in accord with the present day “spirit of luminosity”. (But see  Matthew 7:29 For He taught them as One having authority, and not as the scribes.) Of course, those of that spirit can't say that I am wrong either then can they? And if pre-existence is true to any extent, then anyone can say (and be wholly correct) that all of them are wrong about it (all, except perhaps the Mormons, who do know about it but don’t understand it very well at all). This is not presumption. It is only very basic and sound reason asserting itself. (If the Earth is round, to say so isn't presumption! And to say that all the flat earthists are wrong about it isn't either, especially when one has a lot more biblical proof than they do!)

Fifth, there is a world of difference between saying “all the rest are wrong”, and “the rest are all wrong”. Of course, asserting the second is insane, but I didn't say that. [Maybe it was some spirits in his mind (luminous ones no doubt) that got him to think that I did. Any doubts as to whether it was these same luminous spirits who also inspired him to slander me in the last line? Funny things start to happen when one rejects the truth, eh!]
Sixth, as to my so-called lack of study, I do admit that I have not studied all the theological books simply because my studies have been almost exclusively in the area of pre-conception existence. Besides this narrowing of my endeavours to previously unexplored territory, I was commanded to spend more than a few years in concentrated study on GOD's Word (which studies must be differentiated from studying what someone else has to say about GOD's Word. There is quite a difference!) So although I may be thought ignorant regarding the various undulations of flat Earth theology and all its great wisdom, I still don't apologise for not wasting my time on it, that is, for spending my time reading mostly the Bible and concentrating on pre-conception existence theology as the Lord directed me.
Face it, soon (like as soon as you understand this whole book) you're going to have to admit that every theologian we've had in the last 1900 years has either been too stupid or too lazy to explore the territory of our pre-conception existence or else you will have to admit that I've been given a revelation that was not to be given before this time.
 
 
 
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Re: JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2019, 03:47:48 pm »
     JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
This category deals with some Scriptures which I feel have something to say about why GOD has not brought HIS enemies to judgement yet. Why the holy, all powerful, infinitely loving GOD still allows evil persons to exist in seemingly as much freedom as the righteous is probably the biggest mystery (apparent contradiction to some) in the mirky Christian view of things. In other words, no one has really come up with an answer that the majority of Christians find acceptable[1] for such questions as: why didn't GOD judge all the evil angels when they rebelled (why they were just put out of Paradise and left free to roam the earthly realms - why hasn't GOD judged the serpent?); and why hasn't Jesus returned to hold His judgement yet?
 
Well, pre-conception existence theology has an answer, to wit: that it was GOD's intention to judge all evil persons (which includes all the evil angels) at the very first opportunity (which took place over 5000 years ago) but that HIS judgement had to be postponed because of the unwillingness of some of HIS elect creatures to join HIM in this judgement (and because of HIS unwillingness to condemn them along with the eternally evil). Therefore, HIS judgement has and will continue to be postponed until all of HIS elect become willing to join HIM in it.[2]

Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they (the Israelites) shall come hither (to the Promised Land) again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. Now, the thing that I'd like you to note is that Israel's return to the Promised Land had to be postponed. My first question is why did it have to be postponed? Was it because the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full enough for their judgement? Okay, then my second question is who wasn't it full enough for? It should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about the totally defiling nature of just one sin, that the Amorites were full enough in GOD's sight already.[3] So then, just who still looked on their iniquity as not being full yet, that is, as not being bad enough to warrant this judgement (that had to take place before Israel's return)?

According to pre-conception existence theology, there was a four generation postponement of GOD's judgement because the Amorites were not yet bad enough in the eyes of the Israelites for the Israelites to be willing to judge them according to the judgement decreed by GOD. Therefore, the Israelites became and had to stay enslaved in Egypt[4] until they became willing to judge them, that is, until the Israelites became holy (obedient) enough to see them all judged: men, women and children. (See Joshua 6:21; 8:26,27; 10:40[5])


Now, this judgement against the Amorites is typical of the judgement that has to take place before we can inherit the antitypical “Promised Land”, ie, before GOD's people can enter into the truest millennium. According to pre-conception existence theology, this antitypical judgement has also been postponed, once again because the elect do not yet look on the iniquity of HIS enemies as being bad enough to warrant HIS eternal judgement and wrath on them. Therefore, we too have had to remain in Egypt[6], that is, outside of the “Promised Land”, still waiting until we become holy enough to have all of GOD's enemies (men, women and children, even the ones that look like little wee babies!) killed, that is, judged and forever exiled to hell. Need I say more?[7]
 
Matthew 13:28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto Him, Wilt Thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But He said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them Whose fault was it that GOD's enemies got to do this mixing up? Was GOD too weak to stop them? Or are we to believe that this waiting had to be because GOD could not teach HIS angels to differentiate between HIS children and HIS enemies? (Are the angels blind too?) Surely we cannot believe that GOD was unable to bring about this separation because of some fault in HIM or HIS angels, right? Then, the fault that caused this mix up and delay must be in the wheat. Hence, from this parable we should be able to see that the judgement of GOD has been delayed because the elect are not separate in spirit from the non-elect, and that for this reason they will have to live together until the tares can be gathered, that is, separated from the elect and burned [8] without any harm coming to any one of the elect.
 
Matthew 22:3 And (HE) sent forth HIS servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 4 Again, HE sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared MY dinner: MY oxen and MY fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.   In this parable we can see that the marriage (feast) was ready to take place, and would have, if those who were invited had come. But they would not, twice even! Therefore it kept being postponed presumably until the time when it would be furnished with guests.

Now since this marriage (feast) takes place before the judgement, then the judgement must also have been postponed, and if we look for a reason, it must be because the guests would not come (out from among HIS enemies) to the marriage feast. So once again we receive the witness that the judgement of GOD has been postponed because of the unholiness of HIS people, which means something theological I think.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!   Jerusalem went into political dispersion around 600 BC. Since that time they have never really ever been all together within their own country, under their own (Jewish) king. Christ said that He had the solution to their big problem, to wit: His kingdom (regathering and sovereign protection). Moreover, He said that He had been ready to put His salvation into action many times previously. Unfortunately, His salvation-regathering was conditional and it would seem that they had never been willing to do their part. Therefore it had been postponed each and every time. Moreover, we can see that “Jerusalem” still was not willing to do its part.

Now I hope that you are also able to see that this little story is only typical of a much larger story that has a judgement in it. Therefore once again we have a witness to the effect that GOD is ready to proceed with HIS judgement but that it has been postponed because of the disobedience, rebellion, unwillingness to leave the world and unholiness of His people (the reasons for why they would not). [9]
  Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.  If the kingdom was prepared away back then, why will it take so much time for us to enter it? Perhaps it's because these things have been postponed since that time. According to pre-conception theology, this verse has a much fuller meaning than any other theology gives it, to wit: prepared for you means that we could have entered it way back when, like, even back when we used to think Adam and Eve had it.

 
Romans 9:22 What if GOD, willing to show HIS wrath, and to make HIS power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction?   This verse says that GOD was (is) willing to judge and prove [10]  to HIS people that HE is the sovereign GOD, but that HE has to endure with much long-suffering the temporary abrogation of justice concerning those vessels doomed to wrath. In verse  23 ( Romans 9:23  And that HE might make known the riches of HIS glory on the vessels of mercy, which HE had afore prepared unto glory. Paul gives a reason why GOD had to do this thing which he obviously did not like or want, that being so that HE could show all the elect the riches of HIS glory. This must include the fact that HIS way is so much better than any other way, and that HIS judgement is necessary, that it can not be abrogated if we are going to live in peace with HIM in HIS kingdom. [11]

According to the adherents of pre-conception theology, that is what you are supposed to be learning down here. That is what GOD wants you to learn from this life. Now wouldn't you say that they match really well? This verse also presupposes that the vessels of wrath existed all during this time of postponement, for when we consider that the number of those who will be judged is a known and fixed number in GOD's omniscient sight, we must also realise that they all must have existed at the very first time HE was willing to bring them to judgement. This then constitutes another proof of their existence before their conception.
 
1 Peter 4:5 Who shall give account to Him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. If GOD is ready to judge them why doesn't HE do it? ??? !!!! What in the world (hint hint) is stopping HIM if HE is ready? Something must be stopping HIM if HE is ready but it isn't happening. Hence, we can see additional testimony that GOD's judgement has been and still is being postponed against HIS will.


2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of GOD. In verse 12, hasting unto may mean “hastening the coming”, as the NIV has it, “speed its coming”. If this is true, then one can not help but wonder how it is possible that we can hasten the coming of the day of GOD's judgement? What part do we have in it? Well, may I suggest that if it was postponed because of our disobedience (unholiness), then we probably will have to repent of that disobedience and get into all holy conversation before it will happen.


Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar [12] the souls of them that were slain for the word of GOD, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O LORD, holy and true, dost THOU not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?[13] 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them: and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Well, from these verses we can see a few things. First, some people were definitely holy, that is, the ones that had already been martyred. They were ready to go to the judgement. [14] Second,we can see that GOD wasn't ready to go, even though HE is holy and true. Third, we can see part of the reason why GOD wasn't ready to go, to wit: it was necessary that some more of GOD's children be martyred. 

 Now, the question that comes to mind is why did they have to be martyred? Why couldn't GOD hold HIS judgement right then and save them from all that torment and pain? According to pre-conception theology, HIS judgement had to be postponed, that is, couldn't happen yet, because some of GOD's children were still unholy, that is, if HE held the judgement right then, they would be condemned too. Therefore, HIS judgement had to be postponed until after they all were martyred, that is, made holy through martyrdom, because that's what it would take for them to become holy. [15] (Sense, reason and the Bible weren’t working for them.)



Revelation 10:6 And sware by Him that liveth forever and ever, Who created heaven, and the things therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer. Someone in his commentary (#21) said: “The translation of this phrase in the AV (KJV) is very misleading: 'that there should be time no longer.'..." What the angel announces is that there will be no more time intervening before the coming of the end.
 The consummation will be no longer delayed; the prayers of the saints 6:10 [16] are about to be answered.” Well then, surmising that this comment is correct and that we have understood it correctly, we can see that this verse intimates that the judgement of GOD has been delayed, that is, that it was suppose to happen earlier but something stopped it.
 
Do you still have any doubts as to the cause of this postponement? Could you be unwilling to let GOD vent his wrath (hurt to HIS utmost) and exile to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone forever, your "nice" but unfaithful, unholy, friend, baby, [17] child or partner? Perhaps it would be good to remind you of Matthew 10:34-37 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.


In Conclusion
From these Scriptures it seems to be fairly apparent that GOD's judgement is being delayed, and that this delay is against HIS will. In other words, something is forcing the all-powerful GOD to do something HE does not want to do. What solution do you have for this problem? Does it really fit in well with all the other Scriptures? What part of YHWH's self-attesting revelation to us do you have to sacrifice to make it creditable?


May I verily, verily suggest that only pre-conception theology has an answer for this peculiar situation that does not ask its adherents to set aside other Scriptures or to look on GOD as being other than infinitely loving, all powerful and holy. Think about it! This is the only one that is right about the meaning of life and history. [18] All the rest are wrong! [19]
 
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 Notes for: Judgement Postponed.
1. I'm not saying that we haven't come up with any. There are some around, but none of them seems that easy to digest in the opinion of the vast majority of Christians.


2. In other words, we haven't so much a war between good and evil as we have a war between GOD and HIS people, with the evil getting to beat on both of THEm. (Just the old divide and conquer routine. Works pretty good eh? One of the big keys to the devil’s successes on this planet has been his ability to keep the good people in the different countries divided, that is, against each other. He uses false priests to do it.)

3. Like, when GOD finally judges the world, HE is going to condemn “a lot of people who are not near as bad as the Amorites were”.

4. Or wandering in the wilderness, if they'd been freed from Egypt.

5. Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 8:26,27  For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which HE commanded Joshua. Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD GOD of Israel commanded.

6. Or, wandering in the wilderness, if we've been converted.

7. Undoubtedly!!!!

8. Any tares in your immediate area that need gathered up and burned? They have all had over 5000 years to repent you know. Do you really think that they will change their mind if we give them a few more years? Or will they just use the time to poison and destroy the Earth some more?

9. It sort of looks like some still don't believe Him about which is the better place to be. They'd still rather be out in the world eating big, fat, juicy worms! But they'd better watch out because the other end of that “incredibly huge worm” has a very big serpent’s head on it!!!!!

10. Not necessarily for the first time!

11. Many put forth another interpretation to the effect that the riches of HIS glory means HIS power and justice. This interpretation is not valid because, first, as stated in Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of HIM from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even HIS eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse:, HIS power has been known since the beginning; and second, because of the fact that a perfect system of justice does not need a criminal in order to be perfect. Even if one is unwilling to accept this fact, one must still accept that a system of justice which needs a criminal in order to be perfectly appreciated, still does not need more than one criminal. Hence, GOD would have to put only one person in hell for us to have the complete appreciation of the riches of HIS glory.

12. Altars are for altering things.

13. Notice that they didn't ask “why”, just how long.

14. It's also interesting to note that they did not get their white robes before this (like when they became converted or went up to heaven). They got them only after they had made this saving confession of faith unto holiness.

15. Like, how many times have you prayed the prayer of holiness? Will you have to be martyred first? I believe quite a few Christians think that there will be a lot of martyrs in the last days. (Needless to say, they don't get to preach very often.) If they're right about it, what do you think your chances are of escaping it? Well, I'll tell you: if you're not willing to be holy, they are exactly zero! Hell's angels are coming for you!

16. Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O LORD, holy and true, doest THOU not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

17. Of course GOD wouldn't judge your baby if it had just been created but, if it has been in existence as a spiritually knowledgeable, sinning, unrepentant satanic person for over 5000 years, He just might eh?

18. Just like the first time, when all the Jews were wrong about the Messiah. If they were going to keep being right with HIM, they had to change then, didn't they? And I'll wager that if you are going to keep being right with HIM this time, you are going to have to change too. But hey, it’s nicer once you’ve made the change.

19. And it's not just a case of the present day theologies simply being outdated by a new theology. No indeed!! They've always been wrong.

I once asked a budding theologian to criticise this manuscript. He got this far and stopped (somewhat dead in his tracks) leaving me with this comment: “I would scrap the last lines of this chapter. The thought of attaining an ultimate revelation is coercive and presumptuous to me! JEHOVAH has never committed HIMSELF in detail, and through the vast, very vast studies that I have entertained, I have never encountered such a childish, mediocre, presumptuous statement as all the rest are wrong. This is not in accordance with a spirit of luminosity. To assume, that through the centuries, ALL that theologians have written is wrong, is an ultimate statement of PRIDE!, especially coming from you, who knows so little and has studied so few!”
To this spirit of luminosity and brotherhood (he says that I'm still and will always be his brother in the LORD) in my defence, I would like to say that, first of all, I have never claimed to have the ultimate revelation, just another revelation. I leave it up to those who have studied this new revelation to decide for themselves if it’s an ultimate revelation or not.
Second, I believe that YHWH has committed HIMSELF in some detail regularly throughout the ages. We usually call it the Bible and it has a lot of concrete details in it. To supply a key that makes the details make much more sense, although it might be coercive (toward holiness and true humility) certainly is not presumptuous, especially if one has been given the key and told to disclose it, especially if the key has been shown to work, which has been the case with every Christian (thus far) who has spent enough time to learn how to use the pre-existence key to a much fuller (or enlightened) Christian understanding.

Thirdly, all the books in our very vast libraries contain next to nothing on pre-existence. Therefore everyone, including those who might have read almost every book, is a neophyte when it comes to pre-existence... well, almost everyone. I have spent over twelve years studying pre-existence theology at the time if this writing. I believe that these studies put me twelve years ahead of even the best read theologians.

Fourthly, I do admit that faulting all the rest is not in accord with the present day “spirit of luminosity”. (But see  Matthew 7:29 For He taught them as One having authority, and not as the scribes.) Of course, those of that spirit can't say that I am wrong either then can they? And if pre-existence is true to any extent, then anyone can say (and be wholly correct) that all of them are wrong about it (all, except perhaps the Mormons, who do know about it but don’t understand it very well at all). This is not presumption. It is only very basic and sound reason asserting itself. (If the Earth is round, to say so isn't presumption! And to say that all the flat earthists are wrong about it isn't either, especially when one has a lot more biblical proof than they do!)

Fifth, there is a world of difference between saying “all the rest are wrong”, and “the rest are all wrong”. Of course, asserting the second is insane, but I didn't say that. [Maybe it was some spirits in his mind (luminous ones no doubt) that got him to think that I did. Any doubts as to whether it was these same luminous spirits who also inspired him to slander me in the last line? Funny things start to happen when one rejects the truth, eh!]
Sixth, as to my so-called lack of study, I do admit that I have not studied all the theological books simply because my studies have been almost exclusively in the area of pre-conception existence. Besides this narrowing of my endeavours to previously unexplored territory, I was commanded to spend more than a few years in concentrated study on GOD's Word (which studies must be differentiated from studying what someone else has to say about GOD's Word. There is quite a difference!) So although I may be thought ignorant regarding the various undulations of flat Earth theology and all its great wisdom, I still don't apologise for not wasting my time on it, that is, for spending my time reading mostly the Bible and concentrating on pre-conception existence theology as the Lord directed me.
Face it, soon (like as soon as you understand this whole book) you're going to have to admit that every theologian we've had in the last 1900 years has either been too stupid or too lazy to explore the territory of our pre-conception existence or else you will have to admit that I've been given a revelation that was not to be given before this time.
 
 
 


The Holy Bible to all account still has some 1100 prophecies that have not been fulfilled. As we read Revelation (some 900 Prophecies within), we will see everything is progressing according to His two plans.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2019, 12:49:38 pm »
The Holy Bible to all account still has some 1100 prophecies that have not been fulfilled. As we read Revelation (some 900 Prophecies within), we will see everything is progressing according to His two plans.

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Not so much interested at this time in the meaning or fulfillment of prophecy...this study is about the way the verses teach that the judgment has been postponed, a serious hole in  orthodox thinking for which any answer is seldom offered.
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The Holy Bible to all account still has some 1100 prophecies that have not been fulfilled. As we read Revelation (some 900 Prophecies within), we will see everything is progressing according to His two plans.

Blade

Not so much interested at this time in the meaning or fulfillment of prophecy...this study is about the way the verses teach that the judgment has been postponed, a serious hole in  orthodox thinking for which any answer is seldom offered.

But prophecies tell you when Judgement is coming?  Yes, Israel is still partially blinded and will be until the fullness of the gentiles.

Rom 11:25.."For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."  "THE RAPTURE"

and then comes Daniel 70th Week.JUDGEMENT for Israel and the whole world.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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